Inconsistencies in Toulouse....

[John C]

Originally posted by Red_Merkin
robot,

(i've not seen the robot from Huntington Beach, so if this is the same thing i'm talking about here can someone please say so).


motor with a cam (not cam smith!) that activates the trigger, and outputs it's frequency to a laptop, which is interpretited as a graph.
Lock the gun into a vice and run the cam over the trigger, and measure over a balistic chronograph that also outputs it's information to a laptop, interperated as a graph.

Run several different shot speeds, and then using the lap top overlap the graphs and measure the descrepency between the revolutions of the cam and the shots fired over the chrono.

Define the amount of tolerance allowed before the gun is considered illegal.

This way if a player's gun is seized at the end of the game, we can use science and math to determine if the gun is illegal or not.

All the judges need to do is determine if the gun is suspect and shoud be assessed by the robot. This removes the subjective nature of the gun tests.

Of course if you have a full auto gun like the twats from the Yank team who got caught in the semis, i think we should skip the trial by robot and go strait to public whipping!
'no judge, give me my gun back, i need to switch the cheat mode off before you test for bounce...'

There are only real drawbacks to the Robot, one is that they're expensive, but i think the players diserve a less subjective way of testing guns!

Aye a Robot would work great.

Or just make Andy wear a suit made from aluminum foil!!!

 

[Red_Merkin]

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Apparently it was sent from the future to change the fate of some unlucky paintballers. Rumor has it that it can make any gun bounce...

And you don't want to mess with this badboy, he'll have more than just your players card!

 

[camsmith]

All guns bounce (if you drop them from high enough)

 

[Booya39]

Camsmith

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
- Many manufacturers use a switch with a "weight" of 25 grams, and you would most definitely remove a lot of bounce by making them use "heavier" switches - like 80 grams.

Not even that would work because of something called leverage. Everyone would just get triggers that are longer.

 

[camsmith]

Nick, mostly good points, but if you want the sport to move forward, stricter rules need to be put in place.

The way this is handled in fencing is that the rules committee meets after the world championships (or Olympics, as this effectively replaces WCs for that year), and a timeframe is introduced so that manufacturers have time to change their methods, people have time to buy the new goods. This timeframe is usually not less than a year (i.e. after the next world championships).

Paintball could introduce rules like this. Perhaps, by stating by the end of this year that certain new rules and testing procedures will be enforced in the 2006 season, we can get the ball rolling.

As for the travel and trigger resistance, it is not hard to adjust. There must be loads of posts in the tech forum about this. I personally use a race frame, which has two grub screws by which I can change the travel on the trigger. The spring on the trigger is what determines the weight required to activate it. To test this, all you need is a standard weight with a hook on it. Point your gun to the sky, hang the weight on the trigger. If you are still able to fire the trigger then it passes. (Safety issues in the testing zone must be addressed here). Every serious fencer has a test weight of their own so they can test, why not a baller?

One other thing I believe needs to change is that there should be no switches on the marker accessible through the game. This should include power switches. This is to avoid any settings being changed in the middle of a game. In the current rules, it is illegal to change settings in the middle of a game. How can this be enforced when buttons are so small a marshall cannot see if a finger presses it?

 

[John C]

All well and good

How about the correlation between WHEN you pull the trigger and WHEN it fires?

As in my previous post we had a brand new gun that only produced one discharge per trigger pull but was still illegal.
The problem was that it stored up your trigger pulls and released them when the hopper caught up.

I completely agree with Andy that this is illegal, as you could accidentally shoot someone else or yourself!!

I used my home made circuit board all weekend, that also stacks shots (in order to allow me to shoot a revvy quite fast and not break paint). This passed every judge easily, despite many of them trying extra hard with my board as it looked different! The only difference was my shot stack had a time to live of 0.1 seconds.

 

[camsmith]

oh yeah, one other thing I forgot is that players need time to train within the new rules.

If you change the way a trigger is pulled, people might have to change the way they walk triggers.

As for leverage (and travel for that matter), you would normally set a specific distance from the pivot point at which this is measured.

 

[camsmith]

For stacking, that's where the testing robot comes in. As Colin suggests, perhaps the robot is only used if a gun is identified as suspect by a marshall on the field (with sufficient penalties applied retrospectively).

 

[trummar]

Second opinion?

How about you as a player having the right to get a second opinion on the bounce. Let's say Andy got it to bounce and if you think that it's in the grey area - have the right to get a second opinion by another ref? And then have some rules on what to do next.

I think that it shouldn't be one person in charge of testing for bounce at a tournament. That would be way too subjective. Not that I am saying that it was in Toulouse, but ideally it shouldn't be.

The problem with humans enforcing the rules are that then you get the human element of error. but I guess that it would be like that for know. In lack of better solutions and the lack of money.

As I have mentioned in earlier postings on the enforcing of rules, I think that the rules must comply to the level that paintball operates in. Having tgo develop a program, robot, staff and whatever would cost more money right now than the promoters have to spend. One must think a bit longer than the tip of your nose, and see what is actually feasible at this point.

T.

 

[TJ Lambini]

Full-auto, unrestricted guns!

It's tha only way, I've been saying it for months!

Trust me...

Betcha tha NXL goes this way (officially) sooner rather than later...