How big a business are we?
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The only reason such a site doesn't exist is that no one with the money to do so has ever seriously tried. The public can be willing. Do I even have to mention DisneyWorld? If people can be talked into spending the ridiculous amounts of money they pay to see a guy walking around in a mouse suit that hasn't changed in 60+ years, pay $6 for a freakin' hamburger in 100 degree heat, $20 for a $5 hat, etc. etc.... then do the same thing at other similar parks, then should it be a stretch that something infinately more exciting, tangible, cheaper, and with some semblance of reality attached to it (You can actually become like a paintball player rather than an overgrown mouse that got kicked in the nuts by a mule, plastic surgery done by Salvador Dali, sucked down a 6000 psi 10 liter tank of helium, and swallowed enough Prozac, Valuum, LSD, and Xanax to kill Ozzy Osbourne and Darryl Strawberry combined.)?
Yes, paintball needs a credible, serious, patient patron to contruct the first paintball lodge/resort/country club to set the example. It can be done, it would succeed if advertised and promoted effectively while keeping competitive prices WHILE AT THE SAME TIME bringing in more affluent people to play, who at present moment simply look at most paintball fields and simply don't think them to be a place where a modern, respectable sport is to be played. Quite honestly, if golf and tennis were put out where paintball fields are, the same would be said about them too. Paintball needs an equally sophisticated setting to attract sophisticated people and a better public image. Make it and that change will become reality.
Yes, paintball needs a credible, serious, patient patron to contruct the first paintball lodge/resort/country club to set the example. It can be done, it would succeed if advertised and promoted effectively while keeping competitive prices WHILE AT THE SAME TIME bringing in more affluent people to play, who at present moment simply look at most paintball fields and simply don't think them to be a place where a modern, respectable sport is to be played. Quite honestly, if golf and tennis were put out where paintball fields are, the same would be said about them too. Paintball needs an equally sophisticated setting to attract sophisticated people and a better public image. Make it and that change will become reality.
better image
In my opinion the best we can hope is having the same image as basketball or football in paintball.
I don't know how are things in the US but here(we're miles away from you guys) havin'the image of a sport of rich men might throw away some newbies.After all the Tourney scene which is more clean takes many rec-players who play "dirty" on the newbie's eye and they might hate even more a rich scene.
About the statistics. For example 10 guys play for a club once. None comes back. Again the same. From the whole day (say 40-50) guys who came to play to a club 2-3 start their own team.They come again and pick up the 2-3 players willin'to play again next sunday. This means that out of the 100 newbies the 6% stayed in paintball. If we assume that the rookies spent 40$ then we have a totall of 40$x100=4.000$/2weeks=(say 45 weeks per year)
90.000$/year from just the rookies.
Now the players that started a team are 5/2weeks=112/year
Assumin'they all buy ecquipment worth about 250$ we have an amount of 28.000$/year
And they played 5x22weeks+5x21weels+5x20+...+5x1=5(22+21+20+...)=253x5=1265 times
spendin'say 80$ in paintballs is 8x1265=101.200$
There's also a cost of ecquipment for the club say each 7 years they buy new markers,masks,say 25 ecquipmentx130$=3250=450$
We have now total 90.000$(one-timers)+28.000$(ecquipment)+101.200$+450$=219.650$
Lets see now we had a total of 112 players (startin'teams) and a total of 2250 visits
We have a total 220.650/2360=93$
What I wanna say is this.
Statistics can lead to mistakes. And if we have 6%of the one timers in Greece comin'again I would be really happy.At the moment even if the 3% came (it would correct even more the pictures and the fact that some guys who came again were put to normal team-members and we would have even less bucks per man) I would be EXTREMELY happy this would mean each month a new team-realise how good would this be?
I know what I showed you might not be correct. I wanna change your question Buddha. what you see,satisfies you or not? What are the reasons guys who talk with ya don't show up again or show up and can't convince their friends their moms e.t.c.?
Respect
Antony Pashos
In my opinion the best we can hope is having the same image as basketball or football in paintball.
I don't know how are things in the US but here(we're miles away from you guys) havin'the image of a sport of rich men might throw away some newbies.After all the Tourney scene which is more clean takes many rec-players who play "dirty" on the newbie's eye and they might hate even more a rich scene.
About the statistics. For example 10 guys play for a club once. None comes back. Again the same. From the whole day (say 40-50) guys who came to play to a club 2-3 start their own team.They come again and pick up the 2-3 players willin'to play again next sunday. This means that out of the 100 newbies the 6% stayed in paintball. If we assume that the rookies spent 40$ then we have a totall of 40$x100=4.000$/2weeks=(say 45 weeks per year)
90.000$/year from just the rookies.
Now the players that started a team are 5/2weeks=112/year
Assumin'they all buy ecquipment worth about 250$ we have an amount of 28.000$/year
And they played 5x22weeks+5x21weels+5x20+...+5x1=5(22+21+20+...)=253x5=1265 times
spendin'say 80$ in paintballs is 8x1265=101.200$
There's also a cost of ecquipment for the club say each 7 years they buy new markers,masks,say 25 ecquipmentx130$=3250=450$
We have now total 90.000$(one-timers)+28.000$(ecquipment)+101.200$+450$=219.650$
Lets see now we had a total of 112 players (startin'teams) and a total of 2250 visits
We have a total 220.650/2360=93$
What I wanna say is this.
Statistics can lead to mistakes. And if we have 6%of the one timers in Greece comin'again I would be really happy.At the moment even if the 3% came (it would correct even more the pictures and the fact that some guys who came again were put to normal team-members and we would have even less bucks per man) I would be EXTREMELY happy this would mean each month a new team-realise how good would this be?
I know what I showed you might not be correct. I wanna change your question Buddha. what you see,satisfies you or not? What are the reasons guys who talk with ya don't show up again or show up and can't convince their friends their moms e.t.c.?
Respect
Antony Pashos
From my expectations, this "field of dreams" would come close to what Challenge Park Xtreme in Joliet Illinous, USA is?
Cheers,
RePete
I haven't been there, so I can't comment on that site first hand, although if it were as such, you wouldn't have to ask, I wouldn't have to wonder, and it would have instituted the change I've been talking about to the degree that I wouldn't have to have written what I did above. No, then, would be my answer.
Ah. But perhaps it is. Perhaps CPX is what happens when you try to turn Paintball into golf. And perhaps you haven't heard because it doesn't work (I certainly hope not).
I think it's more of a case of, it's only one location. It seems quite an investment to make, and I'm not sure how long the ROI is for a place like that. But if one pops up in NY and another in say LA, would that tell you the concept is working?
Cheers,
RePete
I have another drea...
I think one of the problems paintball suffers from is thinking small. No one is ready to commit to a massive complex as of yet because in order to make money you'd have to have stuff during the week and not just be a weekend thing.
The idea I have is an Indoor paintball complex, locker rooms for the teams, Snack bar, full restaurant and bar on the second floor overlooking the field(think skyboxes like football/baseball with 300 people), stands on the other 3 sides. Netting surrounding the field to include the top. (picture a rectangular high center nets to allow for the longball sweet spotting but to prevent lights/ cameras/ people from getting hit). You could have different leagues on different nights. 5-man D league games on say Monday, C 5-man Tuesday, 5-man A & B league on Wednesdays, 10-man C League Thursday, Friday night 10-man C League, Saturday 10-man A & B League, Sundays for Practice and tourneys. Have "off" weeks for National events in the schedule for the major national stuff like the NPPLs and the like. I'd like an onsite "pro shop" with a full assortment of equipment and paint for reasonable prices.
What do you guys think? I thought about using the current divisions like "rookie, Amateur, Pro" etc but this is mainly for 1 city during the week so I set it up like softball "city league" divisions. Are you really going to have that many "Pro" teams in one city on a weekly basis to run a league and not just an occasional tourney.
Anyway that's a small part of my dream. Hopefully one day I can make it a reality. One day maybe there will be enough 'ballers out there to sustain something like it. Untill then I guess...
I think one of the problems paintball suffers from is thinking small. No one is ready to commit to a massive complex as of yet because in order to make money you'd have to have stuff during the week and not just be a weekend thing.
The idea I have is an Indoor paintball complex, locker rooms for the teams, Snack bar, full restaurant and bar on the second floor overlooking the field(think skyboxes like football/baseball with 300 people), stands on the other 3 sides. Netting surrounding the field to include the top. (picture a rectangular high center nets to allow for the longball sweet spotting but to prevent lights/ cameras/ people from getting hit). You could have different leagues on different nights. 5-man D league games on say Monday, C 5-man Tuesday, 5-man A & B league on Wednesdays, 10-man C League Thursday, Friday night 10-man C League, Saturday 10-man A & B League, Sundays for Practice and tourneys. Have "off" weeks for National events in the schedule for the major national stuff like the NPPLs and the like. I'd like an onsite "pro shop" with a full assortment of equipment and paint for reasonable prices.
What do you guys think? I thought about using the current divisions like "rookie, Amateur, Pro" etc but this is mainly for 1 city during the week so I set it up like softball "city league" divisions. Are you really going to have that many "Pro" teams in one city on a weekly basis to run a league and not just an occasional tourney.
Anyway that's a small part of my dream. Hopefully one day I can make it a reality. One day maybe there will be enough 'ballers out there to sustain something like it. Untill then I guess...
I have another drea...
Cheers,
RePete
I was going to just PM you Timmah, but I thought it might be useful for others who don't know. CPX seems to be just that. Have a look at their web site www.challengepark.com . I'd expect SCV in SoCal to be another example?
Cheers,
RePete
I've been to SC Village. It's nothing like what I am talking about. SC Village as nice as it is... it is still an open air field in the middle of a bunch of cow pastures. I'm talking about skyball on a daily basis. Make the everything self sustaining with a little profit for future additions and such. Use Paintball as the focus of the restaurant/bar. Tables along the windows watching league play through the windows while you have dinner and drinks. Have it switch gears around 9 PM and lean more towards a bar. I played indoor soccer once upon a time and we had games at 9 and 10 sometimes. Not terribly late but I was in 6th grade at the time. My vision is kind of a hodge podge of what I have picked up from the various sports I've played. Any investors care to help me make my dream a reality? 
Timmah, I think you and I have the same idea, basically. To me, it'd be a perfect splicing of Skyball, a golf course, and a ski lodge. Expensive it would be, but not at all hard to run, maintain, and market. You just need people that are experts in doing exactly those things, only thing switched would be paintball instead of a tennis court, golf course, or ski slope. Simple! This is actually easier than a golf course, potentially more profitable, and a helluva lot more interesting and fun to watch. Such a place were it to get the publicity it deserves, say Delta's Sky Magazine, Robb Report, etc., then paintball would get the respect it deserves, the player base would double in a year, and courses everywhere would improve to keep up.