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[Red Ring Inflictor]

What I have expected to see is a merger between all three, four if you include NXL, major leagues and if that becomes the case teams that participated primarily in the Millennium series SHOULD be given due consideration just like the NPPL, NXL and PSP pro teams.

My expectations could be off but I don't think so. As I said earlier the criteria for such a universal ranking wouldn't be so straight-forward or easy.

I think the question should be: Does Menace, Tontons, perhaps Ignition belong in the top 24? I think the answer is yes.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Red Ring Inflictor
What I have expected to see is a merger between all three, four if you include NXL, major leagues and if that becomes the case teams that participated primarily in the Millennium series SHOULD be given due consideration just like the NPPL, NXL and PSP pro teams.

My expectations could be off but I don't think so. As I said earlier the criteria for such a universal ranking wouldn't be so straight-forward or easy.

I think the question should be: Does Menace, Tontons, perhaps Ignition belong in the top 24? I think the answer is yes.

Red Ring, Ton Tons don't deserve to be in the top 18 NPPL, they just proved that by being relegated this year, you don't think the NXL has six teams better than the Ton Tons as well as the ones coming up ?
You need to start thinking clearer than this mate if you wanna start compiling any top 24.

 

[Gyroscope]

Why would we need to merge the NPPL or PSP with the Millenium? Would it save money by amounting to fewer events? I don't see it. If the Millenium merged with the US leagues, there would still be a call for events in Europe and events in the US, so there is no money saved by merging. NPPL and the PSP are effectively competing in the same market. Europe is another whole market, really. It isn't as though American teams decide "ok, is it gonna be PSP, NPPL or Millenium this year?"

I can see how the Millenium promoters might decide that they need to use the same format and rules as the US league(s) to remain relevant and/or comparable. Then again, they might decide that it isn't necessary, or they might claim that what is right for the US is not right for Europe, or that the lack of paint produced in Europe makes expenses work out differently enough to require a different format, or whatever.

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Robbo
'Yammerring on' ???????
I don't yammer Paul, I leave that to people who have no idea what's going on or who are indulging in idle speculation.

As for the 'bigger picture' now usurping the main reason for unification as against financial expediency.....Paul, ever heard of propoganda ???

'Bigger picture', 'right thing to do'..rather amorphous descriptions if left unqualified wouldn't you say?

Nah, I'll stick with financial expediency reasons for the time being thanks mate and run the risk of being called a 'Yammerer' rather than of indulging in 'glossing over' or manipulating.

You know me well enough Paul that bullsh1tting ain't really my thang when so many are waiting in the wings ..... I don't risk it mate.

Sorry, Pete. I wasn't implying you were full of it. Just the opposite in fact--that dear Missy was engaging in some politician class spin.

 

[Red Ring Inflictor]

Originally posted by Robbo
Red Ring, Ton Tons don't deserve to be in the top 18 NPPL, they just proved that by being relegated this year, you don't think the NXL has six teams better than the Ton Tons as well as the ones coming up ?
You need to start thinking clearer than this mate if you wanna start compiling any top 24.

You very well may be right but my point is that the new world league that I hope comes must include the top-performing Millennium teams and not just those who qualified in NPPL and all of the NXL teams. I think we (or whoever the decision-makers will finally be) must expand our thinking to have some kind of flexible criteria that nevertheless comes up a with a viable list of the really best 24 teams in the world at the start of Season 2006. I'll repeat that I could be wrong and my list is most likely fallible but I wonder if some of the Euro teams that weren't in the NPPL pro series couldn't be rightfully considered to be consistently better performers than some at the bottom of say NXL's ten?

I'll repeat the list of the who I think the top 24 best teams in the world are:

1. Aftershock
2. Americans
3. Arsenal
4. Assassins
5. Avalanche
6. Dynasty
7. Ignition
8. Infamous
9. Ironmen
10. Joy
11. JT Allstars Europe
12. Legacy
13. Russian Legion
14. Menace Norway
15. Miami Effect
16. Naughty Dogs
17. Nexus
18. NY Xtreme
19. Rage
20. Strange
21. Tigers
22. Tontons
23. Trauma
24. XSV

To try to answer Gyroscope's question, the focus, as I understand it, is not just to save money but to create a new world PB order. Sounds big doesn't it? I think the decisions about Millennium's involvement have already been tacitly made.

Could be wrong.

 

[Gyroscope]

Oh.

I see.

I think that that conclusion is wishful thinking.

I thought the whole reason this reunification thing was even plausible was that sponsorship budgets among the Biggies was going to be so tight this year that two concurrent leagues would be nigh impossible. I mean, we are talking about some bitter rivals swallowing their pride to work together. Call me cynical, but I thought only financial pressure could achieve such things.

Also: Miami Effect!? Really? And isn't the JT Allstars roster composed of pros from various JT sponsored teams?

 

[Robbo]

It's almost impossible to come up with an accurate comparison between say, Menace and Legacy with a view to deciding who should play in a league that plays host to the top 24 teams in the world.
But what can be said, is that Legacy played at a much higher level in terms of competition.
If in the absence of a direct matching up of teams these league environments were taken into account, I don't think you would be too wide of the mark but it is still open to speculation just how bad can a NXL team get whereby it dips below a highly placed MS team?
But all this is academic hogwash anyway as I don't believe the super league will actually consist of the top 24 world teams, it will hopefully consist of the 24 teams who go to make up the NXL and NPPL pro divisions.

 

[Red Ring Inflictor]

Originally posted by Gyroscope
I thought the whole reason this reunification thing was even plausible was that sponsorship budgets among the Biggies was going to be so tight this year that two concurrent leagues would be nigh impossible...Call me cynical, but I thought only financial pressure could achieve such things.

I agree, as I've posted earlier myself, that financial considerations are the big motivators. But some the people involved in these discussions have their eyes on the widescreen. And it is an international discussion and potential in other parts of the world besides just the US and Europe are being seriously considered. If major things are going to be decided why limit the scope?

Originally posted by Gyroscope
Also: Miami Effect!? Really? And isn't the JT Allstars roster composed of pros from various JT sponsored teams?

So maybe there are a few teams that would be at the bottom of my suggested 24 that could be rightly replaced by some others. This is the kind of discussion that someones will have to entertain. And JT Allstars Europe is basically a French team with an American (Nathan Greenman) player-coach.

POST EDIT: I see that I mistakenly left out the Hurricanes. They and perhaps Sedition should be in the list instead of the bottom one or two of the NXL. Again, the whole thing is debatable and should include ALL the major leagues.