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correct me if I am wrong, ...

Originally posted by BlitZZkrieg Mueller
...I cant see the reason why there should be a merger, as well as I cant see any benefit for the NPPL at all.
My dear Ulf, I think it might be like this:

The NPPL Super/Pure Promotions people invested ideas, great management and a lot of money to create a successful league. They started out with a bang at Huntington Beach and within two seasons they were selling out their tournaments almost instantly. They quickly got the backing of key sponsors and some teams that preferred their way of doing things.

On the other hand PSP continued to grow their own way with X Ball and NXL as their flagship. NXL believed so strongly in the knight in shining armor of a big TV deal that they perhaps put the cart before the horse. Based on the TV hope some wrong decisions were made (in retrospect) about team/player contracts, exclusivity, where teams could play, etc.

Meanwhile there were growth spurts that helped fuel NPPL's and PSP's success as well as bring more revenue into league sponsorships and vendor deals.

As NXL starting suffering from some of their bad decisions and NXL teams started going to play Super 7s most of PSP's owners started investing in NPPL deals. This, I believe, became the fraternal embrace that perhaps has begun to smother NPPL.

Now that growth has drastically slowed pace there are fewer dollars and some cut-backs are in order. It looks to me that PSP already was running a leaner machine than NPPL but stands prepared to sharpen up their management even further and deal with some of the weaknesses they've had. NPPL, in their pursuit of excellence, necessarily is more top-heavy and lavish. Simply put, my guess is that NPPL has stuck their necks out more and are more dependent both on the continued growth AND the revenue streams of all their vendor-sponsors.

Therefore I believe NPPL is more in need of PSP and their owners than vice versa.

Could be wrong though.
 

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yeah, maybe it was the fruit and water....

Seiously, I don't think either of you are right. The NPPL will go from 200 to 240 next year and continue to sell out for sure. If less money is available through sponsorships then some of the glitz will have to go, of course, but as a company gets more expeienced it is naturally able to run more efficiently. This year the NPPL got a trailer mounted air system, a new netting system etc, next year they won't need it and I know they wanted to become self sufficient with power, and /or lighting, the year after they would have wanted to become self sufficient with something else. This happens through investing one year and reaping the benefits in subsequant years. If some of this long term investment has to be stopped then thats all that would happen.

I don't think the NPPL or PSP absolutely need each other, far from it. I do think that they want to merge for the right reasons, so that there is a unified direction that all spending can work towards. And no, I am not launching into another verse of 'we are the World', but I do think that peoples motives have been underestimated. Yes there are financial losses and gains from merging/staying independant, but there is a lot more to it than that. I know it goes against the grain of the skeptics amongst us to believe such a thing, and I know that 'skeptical is the new cool' and all, but there is more to this than a simple 'merge for survival' mentality. There will be some thicko's out there that think that's what all this is about, but they would be wrong, like they normally are, because they failed to see the bigger picture.
 

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Originally posted by Missy Q
1--Seiously, I don't think either of you are right. The NPPL will go from 200 to 240 next year and continue to sell out for sure.

2--I don't think the NPPL or PSP absolutely need each other, far from it. I do think that they want to merge for the right reasons, so that there is a unified direction that all spending can work towards.
1--Is that what the 8 fields are for then, 240 teams? That would 2 more fields requiring more refs and 2 more fields requiring modified staging and, whether anyone is prepared to admit it or not, the move from 5 to 6 changed the NPPL environment noticeably. At what scale do you think you--or PP-- risk losing qualities that make the NPPL the NPPL?

2--then what the heck has Robo been yammering on about? :p :) And what, generally, constitute the "right reasons"? (As that's mighty vague.)
 

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Originally posted by Baca Loco
1--Is that what the 8 fields are for then, 240 teams? That would 2 more fields requiring more refs and 2 more fields requiring modified staging and, whether anyone is prepared to admit it or not, the move from 5 to 6 changed the NPPL environment noticeably. At what scale do you think you--or PP-- risk losing qualities that make the NPPL the NPPL?
Conversely, do you think PSP would look more like NPPL if they got rid of 2 fields? ;)
 

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Originally posted by Baca Loco
2--then what the heck has Robo been yammering on about? :p :) And what, generally, constitute the "right reasons"? (As that's mighty vague.)

'Yammerring on' ???????
I don't yammer Paul, I leave that to people who have no idea what's going on or who are indulging in idle speculation.

As for the 'bigger picture' now usurping the main reason for unification as against financial expediency.....Paul, ever heard of propoganda ???

'Bigger picture', 'right thing to do'..rather amorphous descriptions if left unqualified wouldn't you say?

Nah, I'll stick with financial expediency reasons for the time being thanks mate and run the risk of being called a 'Yammerer' rather than of indulging in 'glossing over' or manipulating.

You know me well enough Paul that bullsh1tting ain't really my thang when so many are waiting in the wings ..... I don't risk it mate.
 

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The true reason has already been revealed to all anyway. The bottomless imploding money star aka fruit and entertainment is just too much for any league to cope with on its own...:rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by matski
The true reason has already been revealed to all anyway. The bottomless imploding money star aka fruit and entertainment is just too much for any league to cope with on its own...:rolleyes:
That is so much BS and you know it...anyhoo, reunification is gonna leave a gaping hole in tha market, so Punch Promotions is proud to announce our new league, tha NFFW.

Schedule is as follows:

8am - Kumquats Meeeting

9am - Pear tree fields open for walking

11am - Iced water break

1pm - Fruit salad lunch BY WATER COOLERS with Matt Bianco's Lounge Lizards playing a selection of swingbeat and ragtime classics ON PERFECTLY FLAT TURF

3pm - Apple Bobbing

5pm - Prize Giving Ceremony (special prizes in the category of Best Marrow, Most Sporting Melon and Top Fruitbun)
 

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Wow ! :rolleyes:

Pete - you're letting your temper get the better of you here - the remark was meant as a joke - so calm down please....

As to why MS teams should have a spot - as you and Magued ask - let me qualify:

You - Pete - have been advocating that the MS become part of the nev unified league - that for all intends and purposes, instead of 3 major International leagues, we next season have 1 (at least that is how I understood you).

Now - if I have understood you correctly - do you not understand why I ask where the MS teams are in all this?

I mean - either the two big US leagues merge with no involvement of the MS - and then I have no issue (they can merge all they like for my sake and with any format)...... OR... the merger is of all 3 leagues (as I have thought you advocated)... in which case I think the MS rankings HAVE to factor in also!

Now, if I have misunderstood, and all your remarks about "Europe having no other option than joining" were not meant as "the MS being part of the merger".... then the case is closed... because this is then a simple misunderstanding.

If not - and you still believe the MS should be part of the merger... then I cannot for the life of me see why you would think the top teams on the MS leader board have no place in the new league???

Nick
 
Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Wow ! :rolleyes:

Pete - you're letting your temper get the better of you here - the remark was meant as a joke - so calm down please....

As to why MS teams should have a spot - as you and Magued ask - let me qualify:

You - Pete - have been advocating that the MS become part of the nev unified league - that for all intends and purposes, instead of 3 major International leagues, we next season have 1 (at least that is how I understood you).

Now - if I have understood you correctly - do you not understand why I ask where the MS teams are in all this?

I mean - either the two big US leagues merge with no involvement of the MS - and then I have no issue (they can merge all they like for my sake and with any format)...... OR... the merger is of all 3 leagues (as I have thought you advocated)... in which case I think the MS rankings HAVE to factor in also!

Now, if I have misunderstood, and all your remarks about "Europe having no other option than joining" were not meant as "the MS being part of the merger".... then the case is closed... because this is then a simple misunderstanding.

If not - and you still believe the MS should be part of the merger... then I cannot for the life of me see why you would think the top teams on the MS leader board have no place in the new league???

Nick
Very valid points Nikolai - I think tha accepted view here is that tha Millennium will do what it's told, when it's told, and its teams will drop straight into semi-pro at best.

Interesting to se if tha Mill. Series jumps when and where it's told to, and what would then happen to tha sponsor profiles and rosters of tha Ignitions and Menaces of this world who, after having storming seasons in Euroville, find themselves kicking around in tha lower leagues. Maybe tha Mill will try and get those teams and say, Tontons, added to ta mix of teams looking to make the pro league, in which case the plot would thicken considerably.