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- I'm happily free of any egotistical considerations - now that my new team will be playing Division 1 in the coming season
Nick
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- I'm happily free of any egotistical considerations - now that my new team will be playing Division 1 in the coming season
Nick
Calming down ...... but Nick, sometimes 'jokes' can be received (and delivered) in various ways as I'm sure you are aware.Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Wow !
Pete - you're letting your temper get the better of you here - the remark was meant as a joke - so calm down please....
As to why MS teams should have a spot - as you and Magued ask - let me qualify:
You - Pete - have been advocating that the MS become part of the nev unified league - that for all intends and purposes, instead of 3 major International leagues, we next season have 1 (at least that is how I understood you).
Now - if I have understood you correctly - do you not understand why I ask where the MS teams are in all this?
I mean - either the two big US leagues merge with no involvement of the MS - and then I have no issue (they can merge all they like for my sake and with any format)...... OR... the merger is of all 3 leagues (as I have thought you advocated)... in which case I think the MS rankings HAVE to factor in also!
Now, if I have misunderstood, and all your remarks about "Europe having no other option than joining" were not meant as "the MS being part of the merger".... then the case is closed... because this is then a simple misunderstanding.
If not - and you still believe the MS should be part of the merger... then I cannot for the life of me see why you would think the top teams on the MS leader board have no place in the new league???
Nick
Smiley faces are a sometimes convenient camouflage but I apologise if I read you wrong.
I will clarify my position as to any merger, I think the PSP / NXL and NPPL should merge, I also think the Millennium should adopt the same format and rule book (and set of promotional requirements) thus affliliating themselves with the new order, the next question you would raise with me is:- Should the Super League (or whatever we wanna call it) include MS teams who haven't as of yet played in the NPPL ?
My answer is 'no' because they haven't earned their stripes as far as I am concerned.
Firstly it takes an enormous amount of financial resource to play Stateside and if we take the Tigers as an example here, they earned their stripes by playing out there and committing to the NPPL for this last year and yet they still look as though they are gonna sell their spot because they can't afford to play it.
The RL, Nexus and Joy and maybe Ton Tons are maybe the only Euro teams who are financed sufficiently to be able to play this Super League for the whole season.
But if we leave the financial factor out of it for the time being and just address the question of abilities being the sole criterion for qualification (which is where I think you are coming from) then this becomes a problem area for me in that unless you have gotten your ass over here on a consistent basis and played against the likes of the teams in the US, any MS rankings are academic at this stage.
We can sure set up the MS pro league as a qualification route thru to the Super League next year coupled with the semi pro division of the NPPL (which in my opinion would be a higher class league than the MS pro league anyway) but no way can we allow MS teams to waddle in at this stage.
No worries - it was REALLY just a joke - as said
Then I have indeed misunderstood your stance on the issue.... and I will then maintain my own, which is that I think the MS should wait and see what comes out of the merger in terms of game format, willingness to make concessions to the MS (if any), etc. - before the MS join up.
Europe is a rapidly growing market for paintball, albeit still a good deal smaller than the US market.... but it IS the place where the big companies in paintball see growt potential in the short term (Asia will be next).... which means there is a greater willingness to support the MS, than there were 2 years ago.
It may very well be, that the MS is better off on its own...... it all depends on what the "Super League" is prepared to propose, to get European paintball on board.... at least I think it is important the MS does not sell itself short.
I DO think you are wrong in thinking teams like Ignition and Menace could not hack it in the NPPL.... I mean.... those teams competed against the european NPPL teams in the MS all year, and did better - so why should they do worse in the NPPL?
- at least from a statistical point of view, that would not make sense.
It MIGHT ofcourse be that the european NPPL teams put b-squads into the MS events, in which case you are absolutely correct in thinking like you do... but to the best of my knowledge, the european NPPL teams fielded their a-squads at the MS events also?
As for funding.... I think that will materialise by itself, if teams have a spot in the league.... and will disappear if they do not.
Nick
I don't think for one second anybody can tell the Millennium guys what to do or that anybody would even try to tell them, they will do whatever they see fit to secure a future for themsleves and European paintball and if it means affiliation with the NPPL combine then they will do just that.
As for the Millennium having any say as to whether or not any of its pro teams getting status in the new Super League, that I don't think is gonna happen as I can't see any real leverage for that.
Nick, I never said teams like Menace or whoever couldn't hack it, I just said they haven't earned their stripes, there is a difference mate.Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
No worries - it was REALLY just a joke - as said
Then I have indeed misunderstood your stance on the issue.... and I will then maintain my own, which is that I think the MS should wait and see what comes out of the merger in terms of game format, willingness to make concessions to the MS (if any), etc. - before the MS join up.
Europe is a rapidly growing market for paintball, albeit still a good deal smaller than the US market.... but it IS the place where the big companies in paintball see growt potential in the short term (Asia will be next).... which means there is a greater willingness to support the MS, than there were 2 years ago.
It may very well be, that the MS is better off on its own...... it all depends on what the "Super League" is prepared to propose, to get European paintball on board.... at least I think it is important the MS does not sell itself short.
I DO think you are wrong in thinking teams like Ignition and Menace could not hack it in the NPPL.... I mean.... those teams competed against the european NPPL teams in the MS all year, and did better - so why should they do worse in the NPPL?
- at least from a statistical point of view, that would not make sense.
It MIGHT ofcourse be that the european NPPL teams put b-squads into the MS events, in which case you are absolutely correct in thinking like you do... but to the best of my knowledge, the european NPPL teams fielded their a-squads at the MS events also?
As for funding.... I think that will materialise by itself, if teams have a spot in the league.... and will disappear if they do not.
Nick
Well - obviously teams that have not been part of the divisions to merge, have no place in the merger - that's logical.... so I think we agree on both
Nick
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Hi Nick.
If you are reffering to Joy, then yes. We havent fielded our first team once in the Millennium this year. We have let all players that didnt make the NPPL squad play Mill and then let the others play it if it was any spots left.
We will however next year only field our first line in Mill. So im pretty sure it will be abit better.
Magued
Hi Nick.
If you are reffering to Joy, then yes. We havent fielded our first team once in the Millennium this year. We have let all players that didnt make the NPPL squad play Mill and then let the others play it if it was any spots left.
We will however next year only field our first line in Mill. So im pretty sure it will be abit better.
Magued
Nick, I think if we (Nexus) had concentrated on the Millennium alone then we would have been higher up the table than we actually finished not least because of roster limitations so what you may see as a fair comparison of teams such as Menace and Tons Tons in the Millenium may well be a distorted and an artifical one.Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
Well - obviously teams that have not been part of the divisions to merge, have no place in the merger - that's logical.... so I think we agree on both
Nick