It s'what you were hinting at and you knows it.
But I agree, very clever tactics, get idea, all power to them.
As for the teams that do it to "buy" results, well, they should be ashamed of themselves shouldn't they?...
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But I agree, very clever tactics, get idea, all power to them.
As for the teams that do it to "buy" results, well, they should be ashamed of themselves shouldn't they?...
Some people will read something into everything 
We have a squad to field all year, and a big enough one not to field guests... HOWEVER we have still talked about these guys coming and playing a day with us. If only to get an insight into how they walk/see fields differntly (if at all) from us. But also to gleam some knowledge from better players! Is that not why people attended things like the Nexus seminar. Same thing here to me, except you get to play with/learn from better players for the day!!
I'd maybe think it bad form if the guys played div 4 for the day, but as it stands they have guested for two teams who play domestic div one
We have a squad to field all year, and a big enough one not to field guests... HOWEVER we have still talked about these guys coming and playing a day with us. If only to get an insight into how they walk/see fields differntly (if at all) from us. But also to gleam some knowledge from better players! Is that not why people attended things like the Nexus seminar. Same thing here to me, except you get to play with/learn from better players for the day!!
I'd maybe think it bad form if the guys played div 4 for the day, but as it stands they have guested for two teams who play domestic div one
Well, your "guest" is likely the other team's "ringer", yes?Originally posted by Parksy
Some people will read something into everything
We have a squad to field all year, and a big enough one not to field guests... HOWEVER we have still talked about these guys coming and playing a day with us. If only to get an insight into how they walk/see fields differntly (if at all) from us. But also to gleam some knowledge from better players! Is that not why people attended things like the Nexus seminar. Same thing here to me, except you get to play with/learn from better players for the day!!
I'd maybe think it bad form if the guys played div 4 for the day, but as it stands they have guested for two teams who play domestic div one
And since the Hired Guns are on offer for seminar days and you have plenty of team players I don't see why you're interested in them for a possible tourney appearance unless the object is placement at the event.
I see your point... however if your playing in div 1 I don't see how you can have a 'ringer' irrelevant of the players ranking/status/normal level of play.
If you play in the top div of a domestic tournament and Nexus/Shock/Tigers etc wanted to play it then it is hardly unfair is it?
We borrowed players from several teams last year when we needed to. People holiday, have personal commitments and can't play every tourney. We played players who were used to playing in Div one, nothing wrong with that in my eyes. Nor is borrowing a couple of players of this standard to learn from.
Like I said if it were a lower div team then maybe I would think your point about ringers would be valid.
Your point of a seminar is also valid, however this was also discussed and its far cheaper I would guess (without even knowing numbers) to split 2 peoples entry fees to an event than it would be to have them at a seminar for the day.
You also presume that the players in question can make that much of a difference to a team playing there peers already?
Inferno finished 2nd when playing this weekend with the players in question. However they shared the same results last year without them? So either the competition has got better since they played the same series last year or it made a negligable difference to them?
I'm not presuming anything actually. I'm simply asking why this notion of Guns for Hire isn't (apparently according to responses so far) being viewed as just a corporate form of selling ringers and sandbagging when so many of your countrymen have, in the past, made loud noises about similar, if less organized, situations. Is the general view of such things evolving? Is it okay now when a year or two ago it wouldn't have been? I don't know but it's curious, isn't it?Originally posted by Parksy
You also presume that the players in question can make that much of a difference to a team playing there peers already?
Inferno finished 2nd when playing this weekend with the players in question. However they shared the same results last year without them?
So either the competition has got better since they played the same series last year or it made a negligable difference to them?
As to your other questions they seem to pertain to value and that's up to the individuals or teams to judge.
PS--as for Beaks wishing to put words in my mouth I suggest he, and anyone paying him any mind, re-read my original post.
If he's too a-skeered to take responsibility for his own views, why, that's another thing entirely. 
if it's a regular time and time again then it is done for tourny/series placement, but if it's a once off or occasonaly then I think it can be viewed as a way of getting pro training for the day from the inside.
Mr Loco, I think in terms of our domestic series, specifically the PA, things have changed dramatically in a season.
Most organised teams see themselves as a kind of franchise now or at least a more organised body than the previous 'bunch of mates' attitude we all employed.
See, with the PA teams have to register their players and obvioulsy teams with the best rosters suceeed whilst disorganised (and poorly rostered) teams fail.
Despite some grumbles early on (there was a storm in a teacup last season when a few of the open X-ball Evil Sharks signed up to play with Lincoln Storm, then a domestic Div3 team) I think people have now more or less accepted that they must get the best players signed up to THEIR team and get a level of commitment from them for prolonged success.
One or two good results (probable if you get the guns for hire for the day) mean squat in an organised league system and unless you have the green to hire them for every training event/tournament you are still going to have to build your existing roster and player base.
That's my take on it anyway
I think what these guys are offering for domestic teams is an absolute gift and it should be snapped up, used and made the most of.
Example: Norway Open Div X last year. Mr U and Lang guested for the Bullets, a relatively inconsequential 7-man team. They'd also spent a few days in Hungary training with these guys. First few games we saw them play, they were pretty bad and the two US Pros were doing all the work, but then, as we heard Lang screaming "Why aren't you doing everything we talked about last week!", suddenly their game started to pick up, and instead of watching a bunch of kids with a couple of ringers, we were watching a whole team of little shredders, all going on run-thrus, running and shooting, doing everything they'd been taught...under the supervision of their mentaurs.
My point is, yes, it's great to have a pro or two come and work with your team at a training day, but come tournament day when the pressure is on and your confidence starts to flag, it's very easy for all that to go out the window and you're back to square one. Just one tournament with a pro on the roster to give you a boost will give you a real taste of playing more like a pro and help to keep you gee'd up. And this lesson, in conjunction with some solid training with them, I'm sure will have more long term benefits than just the training day on its own
Rookie, Novice, Am teams, get those pros to your training days and get them to your next tournament. They'll transform your team and your players, and suddenly the gap will start to close and foreign types will start getting tougher games from the good ole brits at every level. Surely that's the idea?
Ooooh all you clever people for seeing through planet's dastardly ploy to try and sell guns and make some money. Well done you. No doubt when you see a McDonalds billboard you comment how you've got them sussed and all they're trying to do is sell more burgers. Equally stealthy guerilla tactics, no?
Example: Norway Open Div X last year. Mr U and Lang guested for the Bullets, a relatively inconsequential 7-man team. They'd also spent a few days in Hungary training with these guys. First few games we saw them play, they were pretty bad and the two US Pros were doing all the work, but then, as we heard Lang screaming "Why aren't you doing everything we talked about last week!", suddenly their game started to pick up, and instead of watching a bunch of kids with a couple of ringers, we were watching a whole team of little shredders, all going on run-thrus, running and shooting, doing everything they'd been taught...under the supervision of their mentaurs.
My point is, yes, it's great to have a pro or two come and work with your team at a training day, but come tournament day when the pressure is on and your confidence starts to flag, it's very easy for all that to go out the window and you're back to square one. Just one tournament with a pro on the roster to give you a boost will give you a real taste of playing more like a pro and help to keep you gee'd up. And this lesson, in conjunction with some solid training with them, I'm sure will have more long term benefits than just the training day on its own
Rookie, Novice, Am teams, get those pros to your training days and get them to your next tournament. They'll transform your team and your players, and suddenly the gap will start to close and foreign types will start getting tougher games from the good ole brits at every level. Surely that's the idea?
Ooooh all you clever people for seeing through planet's dastardly ploy to try and sell guns and make some money. Well done you. No doubt when you see a McDonalds billboard you comment how you've got them sussed and all they're trying to do is sell more burgers. Equally stealthy guerilla tactics, no?
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Since when has it been against the law for players wanting to better themselves?
And Duffy. Chill Dude. Just because i turned you down for personally sponsorship. All he was after was a new lady shave razor for when HE shaves his legs before going mountain biking. Well, that's his excuse.
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And Duffy. Chill Dude. Just because i turned you down for personally sponsorship. All he was after was a new lady shave razor for when HE shaves his legs before going mountain biking. Well, that's his excuse.
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