I disagree.
Some guns are DEFINITELY more accurate than others.
Most of the time it is irrelevant though and the most important thing is the paint.
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Some guns are DEFINITELY more accurate than others.
Most of the time it is irrelevant though and the most important thing is the paint.
The only area where one marker could possibly be less accurate than another (with modern production techniques) is that of recharge time.
Other than that, I would say, no marker is intrinsically more accurate than any other.
Any differences one might observe is down to the subjective use rather than objective use.
Recharge time may be part of it. But not all.
Different valve and bolt configurations end up with different abilities to maintain a consistant discharge to fire the ball. Under single and rapid fire conditions. Both are very important.
The consistency of the gun in how it discharges the ball is, in my opinion, the most important factor in accuracy after the paint itself.
Consistency gives you effective range and effective accuracy (along with the paint or course).
Some gun designs are likely to be more consistent when taking into account all other factors. This makes some gun designs intrinsically 'more accurate'.
If one gun is just as consistent as another then, the accuracy will be comparable.
If one gun is not as consistent as another the accuracy will not be comparable.
Often guns of the same design will have differing consistency due to tolerances etc.
I've taken two guns of very different designs and shot them with pefectly round nylon balls such that the velocity was +/-1 fps at the same velocity.
Then shooting them with a bag of ****ty paint, one gun got more consistent velocities, and had a noticably tighter shot spread.
Again shooting nylon balls the velocity was comparable, and the shot spread was comparable.
Not a definitive test by any means. But I have NO doubt some valve and gun design are more consistent in real conditions than others. And thus that some guns ARE more accurate than others.
I also have no intention of publishing my tests or findings. Sorry.
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Mak D
Aint with you there man, out of all the top end guns the Shocker is the one I see breaking the most paint, seen it in Toulose, The Dam and Paris........... just seems to be a fact my friend
Mak D
OK... but can you at least intimate as to why one would be more accurate than another when used with paint and not when used with nylon balls?Originally posted by manike
Recharge time may be part of it. But not all.
Different valve and bolt configurations end up with different abilities to maintain a consistant discharge to fire the ball. Under single and rapid fire conditions. Both are very important.
The consistency of the gun in how it discharges the ball is, in my opinion, the most important factor in accuracy after the paint itself.
Consistency gives you effective range and effective accuracy (along with the paint or course).
Some gun designs are likely to be more consistent when taking into account all other factors. This makes some gun designs intrinsically 'more accurate'.
If one gun is just as consistent as another then, the accuracy will be comparable.
If one gun is not as consistent as another the accuracy will not be comparable.
Often guns of the same design will have differing consistency due to tolerances etc.
I've taken two guns of very different designs and shot them with pefectly round nylon balls such that the velocity was +/-1 fps at the same velocity.
Then shooting them with a bag of ****ty paint, one gun got more consistent velocities, and had a noticably tighter shot spread.
Again shooting nylon balls the velocity was comparable, and the shot spread was comparable.
Not a definitive test by any means. But I have NO doubt some valve and gun design are more consistent in real conditions than others. And thus that some guns ARE more accurate than others.
I also have no intention of publishing my tests or findings. Sorry.
Failing that, can you give us a top 5 or 3 markers that under your tests are most accurate in 'real' situations? I'm intriqued...
I've done some significant research into it, and there are a lot of factors that make guns 'accurate' as per a paintballers perception. Some real, some not.Originally posted by Ben Frain
So......any evidence to back that up? Or are we all to just take your word for it?
With the current protection of IP and importance on products in this industry it's very unlikely I am going to get specific or give away the findings of my research.
You can choose to believe me or not. I don't mind.
I do think that as long as you have a decent gun and keep it working in good condition then it isn't something to significantly worry about.
Just buy good quality consistent, and heavy paint! That makes the biggest difference.
hello simon,
i agree with you on the point of the paintballs (heavy and consistency)
100% correct
alvaro
i agree with you on the point of the paintballs (heavy and consistency)
100% correct
alvaro
My quote was not in reply to you, rather the other poster (was before you entered the discussion).Originally posted by manike
I've done some significant research into it, and there are a lot of factors that make guns 'accurate' as per a paintballers perception. Some real, some not.
With the current protection of IP and importance on products in this industry it's very unlikely I am going to get specific or give away the findings of my research.
You can choose to believe me or not. I don't mind.
I do think that as long as you have a decent gun and keep it working in good condition then it isn't something to significantly worry about.
Just buy good quality consistent, and heavy paint! That makes the biggest difference.
It's not that I don't believe you but what gets me is there is so much myth flying about, and absolutely NO empirical evidence.
Every gun maker claims 'the most accurate paintball gun in the world...ever...ever' yet offers no facts to back it up.
If you have done the tests above I don't see what's wrong with naming which marker you found to be most accurate. It's only one test and by no means conclusive. It would just be nice to see/read something based in fact rather than someones own point of view...
If you can't offer any definitives it's all a bit 'i know but i'm not telling' in which case, I really wish you hadn't mentioned it!
The discharge time is I agree a significant determinant but I don't agree with it being the most important after the paint.Originally posted by manike
Recharge time may be part of it. But not all.
Different valve and bolt configurations end up with different abilities to maintain a consistant discharge to fire the ball. Under single and rapid fire conditions. Both are very important.
The consistency of the gun in how it discharges the ball is, in my opinion, the most important factor in accuracy after the paint itself.
Consistency gives you effective range and effective accuracy (along with the paint or course).
Some gun designs are likely to be more consistent when taking into account all other factors. This makes some gun designs intrinsically 'more accurate'.
If one gun is just as consistent as another then, the accuracy will be comparable.
If one gun is not as consistent as another the accuracy will not be comparable.
Often guns of the same design will have differing consistency due to tolerances etc.
I've taken two guns of very different designs and shot them with pefectly round nylon balls such that the velocity was +/-1 fps at the same velocity.
Then shooting them with a bag of ****ty paint, one gun got more consistent velocities, and had a noticably tighter shot spread.
Again shooting nylon balls the velocity was comparable, and the shot spread was comparable.
Not a definitive test by any means. But I have NO doubt some valve and gun design are more consistent in real conditions than others. And thus that some guns ARE more accurate than others.
I also have no intention of publishing my tests or findings. Sorry.
After all, if you can't get the recharge consistent, then no matter how consistent your discharge, it is always hostage to the input.
I realise the inverse is just as co-dependant but that just implies equality.
And, I would also say, engineering wise (correct me if I'm wrong) that it is easier to design and manufacture a consistent release system than a recharge one.
But I do agree, discharge time is important when rapid shooting but for one shot operation, the engineering of the vast majority of guns makes them all about the same when it comes to accuracy.
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