FAO Team Unreal

[FAMINE]

Right guys, go back and read the thread.
I have NEVER once said that he should stay or anything along those lines.
What i am talking about is respect for another team.
All i am saying is notification would be nice.

What leaves a bitter taste in my mouth is that this player wasnt even attending a try out, but an academy day to encourage players into tournament paintball. The team in question approached him at this session. Tryouts im fine with, players moving on im fine with.
Doing it underhand i am not.
I always thought our sport was about sportsmanship, but it seems not everyone feels that way.

Apocalypse is 20+ players strong with the Young guns now boasting 15+, so we have 35 players to control, I have no problems with any leaving, but manners and respect should always be foremost. What message does it give your sponsors and lesser teams if thats the way your team conducts itself.

Player registar, wont work but is a nice idea.
Players contracting to teams is horrible, but if this practice continues then surely that will be the next step for teams to safe guard themselves from the poachers out there.

All the way thru, i have no beef with Edd, good luck to the little fella. We introduced him into the world of tourny ballin' and we all wish him well. My beef lies with Unreal and the way they go about filling their roster beacuse they are "desperate" to be the best. Hell i aint that desperate to win, im in it for the fun, friendship and respect i get from the sport i love.

So before you start posting that i am trying to hold a player back etc. i suggest you read the thread fully first.

Man this crap gets to me more than the crap this post is about

Jamie Powell

ps.Sparks its all cool between us, I appreciate your difficulties. Whens a good time to call hun?

 

[Collier]

Is it a matter of low morales and lack of integrity on the 'poaching' teams part or the player in question? Personally I think as Beaker said players should and in fact are free to move around as they please.

Paul.

 

[FAMINE]

Man, can no one read?
I have no issue with players moving on/around!
Its about the lack of respect between teams.

Dammit, I have said enough on this issue now. My opinions are set and the silence speaks louder than words for certain people.

As far as i am concerned there is nothing else to say on this issue other than good luck Edd, and im sure other people concerened will go down the same tracks they have in the past

The end

 

[Collier]

WHAT???

You expect me to be able to read as well?????

Sorry dude can't have your cake and eat it!!!

Paul

 

[Beaker]

Jay,

I'm staying out of this particular scenario between you and Unreal, I have friends on both sides and I'm not getting involved as I wasn't there when this happened.

I am only talking about the subject of "poaching" and I did read the thread and your postings.

You posted:

If you wanna be the best, work from the start. Take completely new/raw players and work on up with them. Train them from the start rather than take shortcuts to achieve the end result.

To follow that arguement to it's logical conclusion teams would never leave and only stay with one squad thier whole playing days. If you personally want to do that with Apoc then fine, that's your choice as you want to, but not everyone feels that way and people often want to move around.

What leaves a bitter taste in my mouth is that this player wasnt even attending a try out,

Tryouts im fine with, players moving on im fine with.

If you are fine about tryouts and moving then riddle me this:

If you are fine with a player attending a try out and joining a new team, as you say you are, then what is the difference between an Apoc player responding to an advert for try outs for a new team and being offered a place and choosing to go and a player being approached directly to attend a try out and agreeing to attend. In both cases the player has in front of him an offer (in person or by proxy), they choose to take it or not and the end result is exactly the same.

Are you saying that every time a team holds a try out, the organiser should contact the captain of every team that has players possibly attending asking if it's OK? that's absurd. what we are saying it's the only responsibilty involved is that of the player to tell his captain he has been, and decided to leave and that's after the event not before it.

 

[Beaker]

Just seen your last post, was writing while you and Paul were chatting

We'll leave this one and move on

 

[Collier]

Paul.

 

[FAMINE]

Jesus, this aint rocket science...

Try outs are just that, above board open invitations to come "try out" for a team. No matter how a player is invited to a try out its above board. To approach a player at a training day and offer a place knowing full well he is already in a team is just poaching.

My problem starts in the fact that although poaching will always go on then at least be honest about it and inform the poached players team with a small mail saying something along the lines of, sorry lads, we offered mr.x a place and he accepted. No hard feelings guys etc etc.
Kinda makes the bite a little easier to chew if you get my drift.

As for working a team up, I am not talking about any individual players, I am talking about the team as an entirety. We have a vast array of skill base on the team yet all players are treated equal so as to bring the entire squad up in skill and positioning. So hence the team will grow as there will always be a core squad within it as a driving force to progress upwards.

What was meant as wanting to be the best is this..

as and when apoc gets a top podium place and we stand alongside a "cream of the crop" team, i will know we did it from the start as opposed to cherry picking to get there. Yup its a long way off, but u ever heard of job satisfaction We aint a team to take shortcuts.

This is purely and idealistic thread as there will always be those that want a quick step up, but when we get there we will be proud to have done it ourselves. And for that i love my boys and all they stand for

 

[FAMINE]

bugger
Beaker when u coming up for a spanking

 

[Beaker]

Jay

......and inform the poached players team with a small mail saying something along the lines of, sorry lads, we offered mr.x a place and he accepted

That's where we disagree. I don't think it has anything to do with the new team at all. I think it's purely the player that should let their old team know. In fact when my players left I would have been more annoyed to get that kind of email than just having the player tell me, to me it smacks of the new team rubbing my nose in it, however well intentioned it might be.

But that's the thing, everyone is different and does things a different way, for right or wrong. What annoys someone is nothing to others and vice versa.

And as such when it comes to matters such as this I don't really see the merit in getting all worked up over it, unless it costs me money or affects my ability to play I really didn't/don't care

I'll catch up with you sometime chap, I'm playing with TB & co at M25 league, got to scout them out for a new Pro team I might set up