EXL Sportsmanship...or lack of it

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
Steve-O
I realize you had difficult--I was gonna say, unusual, but seems like something crops up alot--circumstances to deal with. I was otherwise simply commenting on the seemingly generally agreed to premise that the coaches, players, fans, etc. were frequently out of control in the EXL. Maybe that wasn't really so. My point was that the bedrock requirement of the officials is the maintenance of institutional control. Everything else they do flows from that and without that they are one step away from chaos.
Either way I expect you will have all well in hand in the 'Dam.

I don't agree with the much-repeated remark on Smacktalk: You weren't there, dude, so STFU! But...you weren't there, dude, so don't act like your comments will have any authority.

I don't think there is any generally agreed-to premise that the coaches, players, fans, etc. were frequently out of control at Camp Masters AMONG THE PEOPLE WHO ATTENDED THE EVENT. In fact that is far from the truth. Some coaches were shouting at refs, just like in the NXL. Some players played on a few times, just like NXL. Some players got shot a few extra times, just like NXL.

Except for the technical matters, which were indeed a circus, things weren't anywhere near chaos. Anybody that tells you different had probably already started smoking.

Just so you know.

Steve

 

[Tris]

Originally posted by sjt19
Tris quit stirring.

Oops.........but its fun.

I thought Ton Ton had markers taken off them in the game against Avalanche in Germany ??

 

[shamu]

Gotta agree with Steve on this. While things were chaotic (as they usually are during an Xball match), it wasn't out and out chaos. That said, I hope Steve will be a little stricter on some things in the Dam, like coaches harassing refs and various pit area violations. I didn't see significantly more playing on or overshooting than I've seen in NXL or PSP divisional Xball.

No, I'm not slagging Robbo here. Although maybe I should. He turns a delightful shade of red when he gets upset

Sam - if you think the gun cheat problems aren't as bad in Europe as they are in the states, ("the majority of the offenders weren't there") you're kidding yourselves. How many times did it take 20 minutes or more to get all the guns for a team checked and approved? Quite a few. And it wasn't because of the velocity.

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by shamu
Sam - if you think the gun cheat problems aren't as bad in Europe as they are in the states, ("the majority of the offenders weren't there") you're kidding yourselves. How many times did it take 20 minutes or more to get all the guns for a team checked and approved? Quite a few. And it wasn't because of the velocity.

Thanks, Andrew. You saved me having to say that myself.

BTW. At DMA we're going to have a full-size pit area for each team and there will be no excuse for the teams not having their markers already adjusted. Then it will be on the field, test the markers and play with whatever markers that are legal.

Steve

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Wadidiz
I don't agree with the much-repeated remark on Smacktalk: You weren't there, dude, so STFU! But...you weren't there, dude, so don't act like your comments will have any authority.

Nice. Good one, Steve. To paraphrase--"I don't agree with it but upside your head, fool." I ain't buying that phoney-baloney plastic banana smiley face either. But it's all good.

Have I ever acted like my comments have any authority, ever? Do I insist it's my way or the highway? Do I attack peeps whose views I disagree with? (well, there was that one time . . . ) So what's the problem?

I readily admit I know nothing more than what the threads contain but even the Whale confesses to it being chaotic without being in a state of chaos. I'll leave you to parse that distinction.

 

[ericostani]

who you tryin a' get crazy wit baca, dont you know your loco?.......
BUM BARRRR DE DARR BUM DE DOOO
sorry had to be done

 

[sykesg]

man, I'm reading this quasi serious thread and can't get the noise of Steve Morris and the ................. Honk ........... outta my head, cracks me up everytime

 

[Patrik/Evolution]

Yes there was not much going out of line etc etc as Steve stated. BUT my point was to start a productive discussion about developing the EXL internally with teams having LONG RUN good intentions and sportsmanship.

I personally felt that many teams in the EXL and their coaches still saw cheating as a way of getting ahead (as it is in most of all other paintball series and events). Since I had first hand information on RObbo unable to handle himself I took that up as a example since it is a clear cut example of this.

Now what I was hoping to seee was discussion on what could be done to achieve better standards in the EXL etc etc.

Not
"Man what **** u got my name up there for...I kill people for funnn..." etc etc (this is just my personal interpretation of the former posts most of what I DID NOT READ)

My point is to start a discussion about fundamental values on how to take the sport forward through EXL where teams try to control cheating internally, in addition to trying to have an image and face in the public. By this I mean by having real honor and dignity. I personally think that there is only one team that has even tried to think of this subject in EXL that is RL and even they have not really taken it to the level where it could be.

EXL is at the forefront of paintball now (in Europe). It is a closed league. No external entities can effect it too much (sponsors???). SO

Only the involved entities can try to make things better and show the rest of paintball that chating is for losers (RUSSIAN LEGION actually proved that already) and good internal values lead to prosperuity.

PEACE
and c u at DMA 2004

 

[Steve Hancock]

Respect to Legion for there abilitys as well as there conduct, but their professional behaviour might in part be down to the fact that they are actually Professional. (I.e Paid, full-time athletes.)

I would not agree that it is simply a question of the other teams deciding to "behave themselves", as Robbo has mentioned this a major learning curve for people. Being able to hold your tongue in a stressful situation after a few to many shots is not something you just decide to do.

Basically what i am suggesting is that not all of the "poor sportsmanship" was malicious, perhaps just chalenges to be overcome by the teams as they develope in the new format.

Although I accept there may have been and to some extent might always be some calculated misconduct.

But i wasn't there so this is speculation based on what i have read. Looking forward to reading the write-up in PGI.

 

[Sherman]

Steve

Originally posted by Nick Brockdorff
We had a conversation on this - and you will remember consulting Egi who agreed with me on the subject.... and you need to change something in the procedure prior to Amsterdam, or you will face the same delays again.

No matter what the testing procedure is, it's going to take some time to test 10-15 markers. There should be space for teams to get ready and a ref doing the marker checks and chronoing while the preceding game is still being played.

I think that whole bouncing issue has to be re-assessed, because otherwise Amsterdam will be a shambles.

Nick

Let's do it the NXL way, otherwise EXL teams are going to have hard time come World Cup..