Entourage DQ'd? What happened?

[manike]

TJ, It can do FPS and BPS...

Am in process of prototyping some of the concepts involved.

Wadidiz doesn't know some of the details but just that I have a concept that may solve his problems.

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by manike
TJ, It can do FPS and BPS...Wadidiz doesn't know some of the details but just that I have a concept that may solve his problems.

Actually it was just wishful thinking on my part. I really hope you succeed and become even richer.

And who cares how it does it as long as it is accurate, dependable and can monitor players on the sly without interfering with the game.

EDIT: We can't go through what we went through last year again...so solving my problems will be welcome.

 

[shamu]

Originally posted by mike from brum
Originally posted by FlipFlops
I was among the 6 people present for the robot testing of the Shocker that caused Entourage to be disqualified from the NPPL San Diego event.

The others were David Zinkham (NPPL Scrutineer), Bob Long, Opie, Mike Cota, and Sammy, one of the Dynasty camera men.

This is what actually happened, nothing but the TRUTH.

The Shocker in question had a retail Dynasty Shocker board and was set at debounce 1. On the robot it would shoot anywhere from 2-10 additional shots when programmed to fire 20 times. The disqualification is officially due to "excessive bounce".

NOT RAMPING, NOT CHEATING, just bounce.

I was there. The PBN rumor mongers weren't.

Will Roberson
Owner of Tadao Technologies

From the guy who makes the boards.

A-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!


oh God, that's funny....


OK, I feel better now.

You want some facts? How about this - NPPL doesn't DQ teams for excessive bounce. The policy all year has been that bounce must be caught by the chrono judge on the field. Trigger bounce will not get a team DQ'd on the robot, only adding shots or increasing velocity. This is the way it's been all year.

I sent at least 10 markers to the robot this year. Of those, most were determined to be bouncing, not adding shots. Those guns that were bouncing weren't DQ'd.

Two of the guns I sent to the robot were adding shots. Those teams were DQ'd.

Not rumor mongering, just the facts.

Manike - if you have a prototype you want to test out, let me know. Cherry Hill is only an hour away from me.

 

[Gyroscope]

for the conspiracy minded...

anyone notice the effectiveness of the two most high profile DQs this year? First, Hurricanes; that shores up Phil Dominges' credibilty.* Next, Entourage, which shows dramatically that the NPPL doesn't favor its champion team. I am not saying whether or not these teams deserved the DQs, I am saying that these DQs are useful to the NPPL.




* a moot point now, but no one knew at the time.

 

[shamu]

for the conspiracy minded...

Originally posted by gyroscope
anyone notice the effectiveness of the two most high profile DQs this year? First, Hurricanes; that shores up Phil Dominges' credibilty.* Next, Entourage, which shows dramatically that the NPPL doesn't favor its champion team. I am not saying whether or not these teams deserved the DQs, I am saying that these DQs are useful to the NPPL.




* a moot point now, but no one knew at the time.

Don't forget the DQ of ChopShop and Almost Evil in Denver, showing that NPPL will go after more than just pro teams.

It's all a conspiracy. Where's my black suit when I need it???



PS - Nice to finally meet you in SD, Gyro.

 

[Intheno]

One of my guys spoke to Rodney yesterday. He told me all about it and I understand the team are going to make a press release.

Those of you who scream conspiracy should probably read the press release before you make even bigger fools of yourselves.

I understand that the offending player is no longer on the team and that the rest of the team had warned the individual that his gun was cheating several times. One of the team even changed the settings on the offending gun, only for that player to change them back again.

You seem to be missing a couple of other points too
Entourage have made no complaint against the NPPL for missing out on a spot realistically valued at $100k
Redz Hurricanes made no objection to thier DQ either.
Nor did Chop Shop
Nor did Icemen.

So if the offending players/teams have no complaint of bias or conspiracy, how can a bunch of people who were not there and/or were not involved possibly have an issue with it?

Entourage did not need to earn a single point at the stage they were DQ'ed. They were in! What happened after that is down to them.

As for the Tadao guy. He will look a little silly for writing that mail pretty soon. As I for one know the information he posted to be untrue.

As for the event. I didagree with Egi. I was in Orlando and while it wasd an OK event, I fail to see how it could possibly be considered a better event than San Diego. Personal opinions aside, there were more vendors, a batter atmostphere, live bands, packed grandstands, and every vendor and team I spoke to, which is a lot, were very positive and can't wait to support the NPPL next year. I can't comment on reffing, as I didn't see much of it, but what I saw looked good, although all the games I did see were on the NPPL field.

 

[Intheno]

and it will be 18, believe it and get used to it

 

[Gyroscope]

Originally posted by Intheno
I understand that the offending player is no longer on the team and that the rest of the team had warned the individual that his gun was cheating several times. One of the team even changed the settings on the offending gun, only for that player to change them back again.

Sounds a lot like Avalanche circa 2002. One loose cannon, trying to do whatever it takes, never noticing when he has crossed the line his teammates would never cross.

The old "lone gunman", eh? Sure puts my conspiracy doubts to rest.

Originally posted by Intheno
Those of you who scream conspiracy should probably read the press release before you make even bigger fools of yourselves.

No one is screaming. Anyone who talks about conspiracy as conspiracy is half likely to be talking tongue-in-cheek. You are the one who sounds most reactionary to me, my friend. Your strident defensiveness in any criticism of the NPPL, even when such criticism is teasing in nature, discredits you as blindly partisan.

I am a believer in the NPPL. I always have been. In principle, a league that defines itself as "the players' league" has much more potential for making me (a player) happy than any promoters' league has.

I do not know who intheno is, but I always have suspected it was someone deeply involved in Pure Promotions or the NPPL. When you cannot step back and listen to criticism with a objective attitude, you run the risk of making mistakes obvious to everyone but yourself. The NPPL is on top of it's game at the moment, but success brings its own hazards. I hope the players' league can negotiate those hazards successfully.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by Intheno
and it will be 18, believe it and get used to it

Good. To me that makes it all the more valuable.

 

[Booya39]

Originally posted by Intheno
You seem to be missing a couple of other points too
Entourage have made no complaint against the NPPL for missing out on a spot realistically valued at $100k
Redz Hurricanes made no objection to thier DQ either.
Nor did Chop Shop
Nor did Icemen.

So if the offending players/teams have no complaint of bias or conspiracy, how can a bunch of people who were not there and/or were not involved possibly have an issue with it?

When you complain about the reffing or getting screwed one way or the other more than once people kind of look at you as a whiner. It's just smarter to move on and play another day. But never forget the day you were screwed because revenge 2 years down the road is better than revenge 2 months later

You also want a fair shot the next time you're at the event being judged by the same people because I have no doubt when you complain about them, they remember you and make sure you receive the strictest treatment within the rules.