draw toulouse
- Thread starter Andy
- Start date
How would you create seed points for the NXL boys, though?
I don't think this is so bad...for lack of a better way of doing things.
I guess you could think of it as a kind of reward to those who have supported the series and proven themselves in these events as they will get an easier draw and the ones who haven't supported the series get a blood bath to see who belongs.
I don't think this is so bad...for lack of a better way of doing things.
I guess you could think of it as a kind of reward to those who have supported the series and proven themselves in these events as they will get an easier draw and the ones who haven't supported the series get a blood bath to see who belongs.
Hmmmm
Except all it does it attach a huge stigma to the whole event and makes the achievement of every team that comes through from the second half of the draw suspect--excepting Dynasty. Is that what you really want?Originally posted by woz
Pete,
Whats up mate, that draw looks fine to me in fact it looks f$cking awsome
Well done Laurent, well done my son!!!
Woz
Am suprised by the draw, as teams like Malera, Vision, Millennium and us at the top of the series have teams like Evil as the 8th team in the group. It is a huge anomaly to have as our 8th seed Evil Factory! Looking forward to playing them, but i thought that the whole point of the seeding system was so that past history in the series counted.
Looking at the draw that teams like Shock, Ducks, Nexus and Acyd have..........phew....gonna be a few tough games there!
Oh...and Avalanche vs Effect...........is that a bonus ball i see.......
Looking forward to seeing som eof the train wreck games that will surely happen in the morning session on friday and saturday afternoon!
Tigers and Storm.........you lucky bastar#s!!!
Seriously though, the draw has clearly been weighted in favour of being in the friday afternoon sat morning catagory. Would it not have been common sense to split the pros up a bit? even if it went against the seeding system? I mean the likes of the Ironmen, Effect, Avalanche and Nexus although this is there first Millennium their seeding does not reflect their ability. Its not as if just because its their first Millennium event of the year they will not give a true reflection of how well they can play!!!!!! COMMON SENSE PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Looking forward to playing them, but i thought that the whole point of the seeding system was so that past history in the series counted. Looking at the draw that teams like Shock, Ducks, Nexus and Acyd have..........phew....gonna be a few tough games there!
Oh...and Avalanche vs Effect...........is that a bonus ball i see.......
Looking forward to seeing som eof the train wreck games that will surely happen in the morning session on friday and saturday afternoon!
Tigers and Storm.........you lucky bastar#s!!!
Seriously though, the draw has clearly been weighted in favour of being in the friday afternoon sat morning catagory. Would it not have been common sense to split the pros up a bit? even if it went against the seeding system? I mean the likes of the Ironmen, Effect, Avalanche and Nexus although this is there first Millennium their seeding does not reflect their ability. Its not as if just because its their first Millennium event of the year they will not give a true reflection of how well they can play!!!!!! COMMON SENSE PLEASE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Call me a cynic but ain't it funny how the three teams associated with promoters, Tigers, Ton Tons and Joy all have big smiles on their faces......nah couldn't be....in fact Beard (the guy who developed and manages the program that spews out this schedule) tells me it's all been done to the book...and I believe him, they just got lucky
But hold on a minute, I just spent twenty mins on the fone to him and this is what came out of it.
Some pro teams have to play six other pro teams and some have only to play five...seems unfair don't it ?
Damn right it’s unfair for the pro teams who have to play six other pros.
I mean, in these times of marginal qualification with teams going thru on less than a one point differential, the fact that some pros are playing against one more pro teams than others is hugely unfair and creates an unbelievable disadvantage to any team who is playing six other pros.
I mean, suppose qualification is on a knife edge going into the last game, and the team I am closest to is playing their last game, we have both played against 5 pro teams thus far in the first round and our rivals for qualification are up against the Pink Fluffy Wombles from Uzbekistan and I got the LA Ironmen, …….hmmmm…….
But hey, he told me that it was impossible to change apparently, there will always be this anomaly, so I enquired further as to why; it would seem as though, built into the system is an inherent bias toward pro teams.
Basically, some person, u take yer guesses as to the identity because you can bet yer bottom dollar, they will all be running for cover pretty soon, has told Beard, that every am a and am b team has got to only play one pro team.
This is held as inviolate, in other words, every possible thing is done to maintain this prerequisite.
The casualty in all this is the anomaly is pushed towards the pros to pick up the slack in allocation of games.
This makes it inevitable there will be some pro teams playing six as against 5 in the present circumstances.
So, bottom line is this, the Millennium board in all their wisdom, deem it more preferential for am a and am b teams to play one game against pros than for the pros to have a fair schedule.
You pays the most, you get screwed!
I asked Beard why this is so and he told me that it was thought that because there were more am a's and am b's teams than there are pros, it was better to do it this way...hmmmm... lemme think about this for a minute.....ok, it took me one second, what utter bollocks !
When I suggested a way round the problem of unfair game numbers, by either capping the number of pro teams to an even number (not that difficult if you don’t get too greedy for that one extra team) or playing only four pro team confrontations for each team, the answer came back , ‘oh no, we can't do that, that would mean we are gonna mess up the ratio'
The ratio apparently relates to how many am teams play pros.
Now none of this is Beard’s fault, he is only doing what he’s been told but there is an old computer saying that springs to mind, ‘Garbage in, Garbage out’, I’m sure everybody has heard this one before and is totally applicable to this situation.
Jeeez !!!
But hold on a minute, I just spent twenty mins on the fone to him and this is what came out of it.
Some pro teams have to play six other pro teams and some have only to play five...seems unfair don't it ?
Damn right it’s unfair for the pro teams who have to play six other pros.
I mean, in these times of marginal qualification with teams going thru on less than a one point differential, the fact that some pros are playing against one more pro teams than others is hugely unfair and creates an unbelievable disadvantage to any team who is playing six other pros.
I mean, suppose qualification is on a knife edge going into the last game, and the team I am closest to is playing their last game, we have both played against 5 pro teams thus far in the first round and our rivals for qualification are up against the Pink Fluffy Wombles from Uzbekistan and I got the LA Ironmen, …….hmmmm…….
But hey, he told me that it was impossible to change apparently, there will always be this anomaly, so I enquired further as to why; it would seem as though, built into the system is an inherent bias toward pro teams.
Basically, some person, u take yer guesses as to the identity because you can bet yer bottom dollar, they will all be running for cover pretty soon, has told Beard, that every am a and am b team has got to only play one pro team.
This is held as inviolate, in other words, every possible thing is done to maintain this prerequisite.
The casualty in all this is the anomaly is pushed towards the pros to pick up the slack in allocation of games.
This makes it inevitable there will be some pro teams playing six as against 5 in the present circumstances.
So, bottom line is this, the Millennium board in all their wisdom, deem it more preferential for am a and am b teams to play one game against pros than for the pros to have a fair schedule.
You pays the most, you get screwed!
I asked Beard why this is so and he told me that it was thought that because there were more am a's and am b's teams than there are pros, it was better to do it this way...hmmmm... lemme think about this for a minute.....ok, it took me one second, what utter bollocks !
When I suggested a way round the problem of unfair game numbers, by either capping the number of pro teams to an even number (not that difficult if you don’t get too greedy for that one extra team) or playing only four pro team confrontations for each team, the answer came back , ‘oh no, we can't do that, that would mean we are gonna mess up the ratio'
The ratio apparently relates to how many am teams play pros.
Now none of this is Beard’s fault, he is only doing what he’s been told but there is an old computer saying that springs to mind, ‘Garbage in, Garbage out’, I’m sure everybody has heard this one before and is totally applicable to this situation.
Jeeez !!!
Well.....
Good thing European Am teams are just as good as American Am teams. You guys should run over Evil like they were just another 8th seed European team.
Good thing European Am teams are just as good as American Am teams. You guys should run over Evil like they were just another 8th seed European team.
You is turtlin!!
I think sum1 is major Turtlin!
only kiddin surely playin harder competition like more of the better american teams is alot more exciting and makes a better tournament for you guys than playing more teams of less ability???
slim
I think sum1 is major Turtlin!
only kiddin surely playin harder competition like more of the better american teams is alot more exciting and makes a better tournament for you guys than playing more teams of less ability???
slim
Imagine im stupid for a second and have never played in a large tournament such as Toulouse. I'm just trying to make sense of the draw sheet, can i just run it past you guys make sure i'm not all confused.
We (SPG Spirit) are in Novice division, seeded 38th. We are gonna be playing Friday afternoon & Saturday morning. And our order of play is; Joy Kids, Pulsion, Unreal, Aqua Trek, Devils P, Estrondo Azul, Nitro, Pheonix of Paris, La Punta, Spirit of Scalp.
Am I correct by my assumption that this is how it works? Sorry if i sound a bit dumb, but i cant be the only one confused by the big list of silly sounding teams that doesnt print very well
Or can I?
We (SPG Spirit) are in Novice division, seeded 38th. We are gonna be playing Friday afternoon & Saturday morning. And our order of play is; Joy Kids, Pulsion, Unreal, Aqua Trek, Devils P, Estrondo Azul, Nitro, Pheonix of Paris, La Punta, Spirit of Scalp.
Am I correct by my assumption that this is how it works? Sorry if i sound a bit dumb, but i cant be the only one confused by the big list of silly sounding teams that doesnt print very well
Or can I?
Nial
Nial, welcome back................
OK, this is how I see it, if we are to assume each and every team that enters a tournament has a roughly equal and fair chance of winning, then this system has failed miserably.
Now I fully understand that there is no system that can be absolutely equal and fair to ALL teams at ALL times but this Toulouse schedule is a frikkin joke.
Not only is it using spurious and irrelevant data to feed in, the system itself is weighted against the pros because of some half ass pre-requisite of maintaining am a / am b v pro quota.
Now, I don't give two ****s about, this system, that system, seed points, am v pro games and so on, Hey Guys on the Millennium Board , take a look at the schedule here; IT'S UTTER CRAP !!!!!!!
You don't need any more proof than just looking at the pudding !!!!!!!
How the hell can u have one half of the pros playing against only 5 pros in their first round and the other half of the pros playing 6?
Now, excuse me for thinking that the Millennium board may well not be too displeased with the schedule with the Ton Tons (Laurent), Tigers (Steve Baldwin) and Joy (Magued), all virtually assured of going through, we all want roughly the same chances.
Now unlike those three teams, we have got to pay our entrance fees for Toulouse, is it that unfair to expect the same chance of qualification as them ?
Nah. Nial, you made a big thing coming on these boards and telling everybody you are back and able to sort any problems, your words not mine.
We need the publishing of all seed points, we need the publishing of the 'system' that was used and any contingencies or 'special factors' that were employed to compile and organise this schedule.
We need the whole schedule system completely transparent and not hiding behind, 'this is my livelihood, I can't show you'.
Nial, welcome back................
OK, this is how I see it, if we are to assume each and every team that enters a tournament has a roughly equal and fair chance of winning, then this system has failed miserably.
Now I fully understand that there is no system that can be absolutely equal and fair to ALL teams at ALL times but this Toulouse schedule is a frikkin joke.
Not only is it using spurious and irrelevant data to feed in, the system itself is weighted against the pros because of some half ass pre-requisite of maintaining am a / am b v pro quota.
Now, I don't give two ****s about, this system, that system, seed points, am v pro games and so on, Hey Guys on the Millennium Board , take a look at the schedule here; IT'S UTTER CRAP !!!!!!!
You don't need any more proof than just looking at the pudding !!!!!!!
How the hell can u have one half of the pros playing against only 5 pros in their first round and the other half of the pros playing 6?
Now, excuse me for thinking that the Millennium board may well not be too displeased with the schedule with the Ton Tons (Laurent), Tigers (Steve Baldwin) and Joy (Magued), all virtually assured of going through, we all want roughly the same chances.
Now unlike those three teams, we have got to pay our entrance fees for Toulouse, is it that unfair to expect the same chance of qualification as them ?
Nah. Nial, you made a big thing coming on these boards and telling everybody you are back and able to sort any problems, your words not mine.
We need the publishing of all seed points, we need the publishing of the 'system' that was used and any contingencies or 'special factors' that were employed to compile and organise this schedule.
We need the whole schedule system completely transparent and not hiding behind, 'this is my livelihood, I can't show you'.