Steve, that report was 'generated' to offset some of the criticism that was flying around at that time and should be viewed accordingly !!!
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Days of My Life: Whose NPPL am I sucking on?
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Roboo
Moi?
One can wonder if some figures can be levitated also. To even suggest such possibilities might not be so popular with certain Powerful Syndicates of Paintball. It would be great if Tony Montana would contribute some of his insight into this.
I've done a little checking around on the internet concerning rental of stadiums or sports fields with grandstands in the US. I find prices that range from under $1000 per day to $25000 for a 25000-seat prominent stadium. I couldn't find what it cost to rent some football/soccer fields at LA's Griffith Park. Be interesting to see what a good, sizeable paintball tournament really costs, after sponsorship, trade-show and concession revenues.
Steve
Do you think I would chance having Yoda levitate a $150,000 air compressor and knocking me in the head with it?Originally posted by TJ Lambini
Wonder who that was Wad?
One can wonder if some figures can be levitated also. To even suggest such possibilities might not be so popular with certain Powerful Syndicates of Paintball. It would be great if Tony Montana would contribute some of his insight into this.
I've done a little checking around on the internet concerning rental of stadiums or sports fields with grandstands in the US. I find prices that range from under $1000 per day to $25000 for a 25000-seat prominent stadium. I couldn't find what it cost to rent some football/soccer fields at LA's Griffith Park. Be interesting to see what a good, sizeable paintball tournament really costs, after sponsorship, trade-show and concession revenues.
Steve
Moi?
Steve, you know as well as I do that some of the rhetoric we have heard over the years for explaining away the reasons why certain people in the PSP 'can't' find stadium based venues is about as credulous as a nine buck note in the light of what a few enterprising people have found out for themselves.
Nah, I gave up listening to all that crap a long time ago and resigned myself to the fact that it requires revolution and evolution is just not gonna work.
Hence Chuck's NPPL Super 7 tournament series!!!
Robbo
Originally posted by Wadidiz
Do you think I would chance having Yoda levitate a $150,000 air compressor and knocking me in the head with it?
One can wonder if some figures can be levitated also. To even suggest such possibilities might not be so popular with certain Powerful Syndicates of Paintball. It would be great if Tony Montana would contribute some of his insight into this.
I've done a little checking around on the internet concerning rental of stadiums or sports fields with grandstands in the US. I find prices that range from under $1000 per day to $25000 for a 25000-seat prominent stadium. I couldn't find what it cost to rent some football/soccer fields at LA's Griffith Park. Be interesting to see what a good, sizeable paintball tournament really costs, after sponsorship, trade-show and concession revenues.
Steve
Steve, you know as well as I do that some of the rhetoric we have heard over the years for explaining away the reasons why certain people in the PSP 'can't' find stadium based venues is about as credulous as a nine buck note in the light of what a few enterprising people have found out for themselves.
Nah, I gave up listening to all that crap a long time ago and resigned myself to the fact that it requires revolution and evolution is just not gonna work.
Hence Chuck's NPPL Super 7 tournament series!!!
Robbo
Oh no Robbo. You're not going to pull out your emails from two years ago where you exposed Jerry for being a fraud are you?
You remember the part where he lied to Emily M and told her he lost money on that wc and she believed him. Gosh I wish I'd been there when he had to tell her he lied to the whole world about it. Those were fun times.
You remember the part where he lied to Emily M and told her he lost money on that wc and she believed him. Gosh I wish I'd been there when he had to tell her he lied to the whole world about it. Those were fun times.
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raehl
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The anwer is....
It depends. I can push 60 5-man team event through an existing location for about $12k - that means netting, fields and all that are already there, I just gotta pay for refs, tables, air, setup and cleanup (and they gotta pay for their paint). Of course, that's with NO ONE making ANY money aside from the labor, and not taking into account taxes (which I fortunately don't have to pay), workman's comp (volunteers or contracted employees), SS payments, carrying staff, promotional and organizational overhead, etc. Doesn't reflect a lot of time donated by a bunch ofpeople who make a lot of money either.
And the second you go to a location that doesn't have a permanent setup stuff shoots through the roof. It's mostly all in the labor costs, but there's equipment costs in there too. Compressors are a lot more expensive to have when you only use them 5 times per year. Even if you own netting and poles and all that, shipping it around the country is expsensive - it doesn't drive itself around for free.
I'm not saying the promoters don't make any money, but it's not like there's a lot of room in there to risk change. You know what happened last time they risked change and went with something new?
Vegas.
Best events last year were, what, Chicago and World Cup? And were those the events that were the same or different from the year before?
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It depends. I can push 60 5-man team event through an existing location for about $12k - that means netting, fields and all that are already there, I just gotta pay for refs, tables, air, setup and cleanup (and they gotta pay for their paint). Of course, that's with NO ONE making ANY money aside from the labor, and not taking into account taxes (which I fortunately don't have to pay), workman's comp (volunteers or contracted employees), SS payments, carrying staff, promotional and organizational overhead, etc. Doesn't reflect a lot of time donated by a bunch ofpeople who make a lot of money either.
And the second you go to a location that doesn't have a permanent setup stuff shoots through the roof. It's mostly all in the labor costs, but there's equipment costs in there too. Compressors are a lot more expensive to have when you only use them 5 times per year. Even if you own netting and poles and all that, shipping it around the country is expsensive - it doesn't drive itself around for free.
I'm not saying the promoters don't make any money, but it's not like there's a lot of room in there to risk change. You know what happened last time they risked change and went with something new?
Vegas.
Best events last year were, what, Chicago and World Cup? And were those the events that were the same or different from the year before?
- Chris
The anwer is....
It occurs to me (and you're saying to effect) that the obvious way a promoter of really big paintball tournaments can make (more) money is through economy of scale. Ideally, the promoter of the World Cup should have a permanent site that serves as a year-round paintball park. I worked at a very successful paintball park in Atlanta that has 12 fields, very good facilities, regular and temporary staff. Imagine a site like that in Orlando or some other popular city that had 12 concept fields set up year-round with stadium seating, air compressor(s), real toilets and showers, etc. Then it would just be icing on the cake to run the World Cup.
Then there would be substantial costs to make it into a road show. But maybe said park/tournament operator could have a national/international chain of paintball parks/paintball tournaments.
Anyone got a few thou to invest in a great business idea?
Steve
Good points, Chris,
It occurs to me (and you're saying to effect) that the obvious way a promoter of really big paintball tournaments can make (more) money is through economy of scale. Ideally, the promoter of the World Cup should have a permanent site that serves as a year-round paintball park. I worked at a very successful paintball park in Atlanta that has 12 fields, very good facilities, regular and temporary staff. Imagine a site like that in Orlando or some other popular city that had 12 concept fields set up year-round with stadium seating, air compressor(s), real toilets and showers, etc. Then it would just be icing on the cake to run the World Cup.
Then there would be substantial costs to make it into a road show. But maybe said park/tournament operator could have a national/international chain of paintball parks/paintball tournaments.
Anyone got a few thou to invest in a great business idea?
Steve
Then how do you explain how the Millenium series manages to put only one set of teams (only 7 man) through much much better venues with better organisation and while they might not make millions off it, they wouldn't be losing money hand over fist and still continue.
Plus, if WC was one of the best US events of the last year - that kinda says it all really doesn't it?
For instance they keep banging on about this $150,000 air station which was bought last year wasn't it? and has probably already paid for itself twice over as they are now saving money from not having to hire systems in each event (which the Millenium series do and works fine).
Plus, if WC was one of the best US events of the last year - that kinda says it all really doesn't it?
For instance they keep banging on about this $150,000 air station which was bought last year wasn't it? and has probably already paid for itself twice over as they are now saving money from not having to hire systems in each event (which the Millenium series do and works fine).
Yep, that is the question I keep asking. I have always experienced that almost everything is more expensive in Europe compared to the US, so what gives? Then a hidden point in what I wrote in my last post is that the promoter of the World Cup owns a major paintball operation in NY (doesn't he?). So there should be economies of scale just from that. Not to mention the teams and magazines he owns.
Just something to wonder about.
I wouldn't mind a gigantic mult-faceted PB operation that also was the sole producer of the biggest North American paintball events. As long as they delivered the goods with fair value for money spent. It's just good Millennium came along to show a much better job could be done and thus spoil us.
Steve
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raehl
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I'm not saying that it isn't possible..
My point was that it's much safer to go with something you know works over something new. Last time PSP tried something new (Vegas, which was an attempt, all be it a very unsuccessful one, at a Millenium style event) they got raked over the coals for it, not exactly a big motivation to try something new again.
Is world cup perfect? No. But people go there, and the vast majority of them have a positive experience. Don't let the loud mouthed few bitching on the web boards fool you, for 90% of the teams world cup rocked. PSP knows that they can do a better event than last year by doing pretty much the same thing with a few improvements. Or they can try something totally different. I have to sympathize with them there - I strongly favor locations where we've been before and things went mostly well (even if there are some improvements to be made) than risking a new location that might be downright horrible.
I've got a question: How long has millenium been around? Were their first events as good as their events now? Did they start with 20 7-man teams andbuild up, or did they start with 200-man teams and 200 5-man teams?
I get the feeling you guys arn't comparing the same things.
- Chris
My point was that it's much safer to go with something you know works over something new. Last time PSP tried something new (Vegas, which was an attempt, all be it a very unsuccessful one, at a Millenium style event) they got raked over the coals for it, not exactly a big motivation to try something new again.
Is world cup perfect? No. But people go there, and the vast majority of them have a positive experience. Don't let the loud mouthed few bitching on the web boards fool you, for 90% of the teams world cup rocked. PSP knows that they can do a better event than last year by doing pretty much the same thing with a few improvements. Or they can try something totally different. I have to sympathize with them there - I strongly favor locations where we've been before and things went mostly well (even if there are some improvements to be made) than risking a new location that might be downright horrible.
I've got a question: How long has millenium been around? Were their first events as good as their events now? Did they start with 20 7-man teams andbuild up, or did they start with 200-man teams and 200 5-man teams?
I get the feeling you guys arn't comparing the same things.
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