There were two seperate incidents of players pulled for 141s.
The player we were going to pull for the 141 was already shot when the judge arrived to take his arm band so another player was selected.
The player who i pulled for a 141 blatently cheated. He was the player you sent to the center 50. If you are the team captain, you may want to discuss this further with him.
If you want to know exact details, PM me. If you want it on a public forum, then let me know, and i'll publish the details.
I was told that because you were penalised heavly you left the tournament, if this was not the case then i have been misinformed, and i retract what i said about your team leaving in protest.
I did not know about the -50 penalty points before we marshalled this event. I was aware of the Sosta rule in the PA Rules, (which is one of the worst rules i've ever encountered - completely unenforcable IMHO) and was happy to see 141 penaltys on the rule sheet. -50 points is a very strong deterant for playing on and wiping.
But here's the problem, at least in my opinion: playing on can be subjective. A player on a run thru, who gets shot after he muggs someone, is entitled to keep on playing. However, if the judge misses who shot who first, then the player can be judged as playing on. It's very easy to make a mistake with playing on. In handing out a 141 AND -50 penalty points a judge must be 100% sure that player is attempting to cheat. Getting hit on your loader twice, and a third hit on your mask for example, lowering your gun, examining the hits on your loader, then proceding to shoot half a hopper at the oppisition would be conisdered an attempt to cheat, just to give an example.
Anyhow, this is all pointless to debate, because i have heard in conversatioin that a better set of rules is going to be used next year, (thank goodness, the PA league rules are AWFUL!) and i'm sure Big Dave will fill you all in later on.
Thanks Matski and guys for marshalling with us on the weekend, we enjoyed ourselves, and thanks to all the teams who thanked us... it really makes us feel like it's worth trying our hardest!
Underated, i think you should drop this, but if you feel the need to discuss, please PM me.