Quick correction and not that it matters.
The paint goes to the M/S Organisation not the promoter.
The paint goes to the M/S Organisation not the promoter.
Celtic Paintballs and the Campaign Cup
- Thread starter WingNut
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So vendors basically pay through the nose to ply there goods £83 for a square meter of stall at events. Im glad i aint a vendor and if they are also selling paint then they have to pay even more, plus entry fees paid by teams and also players registering for the event so the Millenium organisation gets a fair wedge of cash for not doing alot !!!
Ok yes before i get flamed yes they do organise where the events are gonna take place and the event itself and the all the other things that go on behind the scenes!!
Also with this byo paint as long as its one of the event sponsored paints how is the none staining issuse gonna be enforced because whos to say a team brings a load of paint that theyve collected but its a older batch of may be staining paint but is one of the paint sponsors is it going to be a certain type only and whos to say some teams dont just bring another paint brand but re-boxed you mean you can tell the difference between brand x and brand y paint just by looking at them!!!
Ok yes before i get flamed yes they do organise where the events are gonna take place and the event itself and the all the other things that go on behind the scenes!!
Also with this byo paint as long as its one of the event sponsored paints how is the none staining issuse gonna be enforced because whos to say a team brings a load of paint that theyve collected but its a older batch of may be staining paint but is one of the paint sponsors is it going to be a certain type only and whos to say some teams dont just bring another paint brand but re-boxed you mean you can tell the difference between brand x and brand y paint just by looking at them!!!
I actually work down at Campaign, and if you saw the effort and time that Niall, Jim, Joey, Colin, Kebab and others put into Campaign Cup then you would be stunned. Its a full year round job, not something that they can pull off in a few months before the event.
WKD, i am suprised that you are so shocked about prices that vendors pay. Surely the fact that industry players such as Planet, DYE, SmartParts, Draxxus, National etc... all show up is that they are all prepared to pay the fees to be present. If the vendors were unhappy then i suspect that they would say. They havent, so maybe it is not as suprising as you first thought?
The MS are paid by us, the players, to provide a service. A service that many people value, which is why they keep coming back.
As i did put in my post if you had read it all i did comment on the work behind the scenes and i still got flamed 
Are the vendors happy i think to be honest and i have spoken to one or two they basically dont have a choice !!
Im more interested in the byo paint issuse and how that is going to be policed
Are the vendors happy i think to be honest and i have spoken to one or two they basically dont have a choice !!
Im more interested in the byo paint issuse and how that is going to be policed
I did read your post, but you started off by saying that the MS get paid for doing "not doing a lot" (quote). Then you went on to state that they put a lot in behind the scenes. Now to me, thats a lot of work cos i see what it is that they do. You do not.
The vendors do have a choice though. Either attend or don't attend. It may not be a choice that they like, but it is still choice. There will be a packed vendor showing at Campaign, so its fairly obvious the choice that the vendors are going to run with.
The vendors do have a choice though. Either attend or don't attend. It may not be a choice that they like, but it is still choice. There will be a packed vendor showing at Campaign, so its fairly obvious the choice that the vendors are going to run with.
By MS organization do you mean the three major shareholders or does
it go into the funding for facilities and equipment (Say Adam and Karlijn) ?
I experienced twice that the skids went straight to the
promoter so hence i presumed the obvious which was wrong.
Does all sponsor money go to the MS as a whole and if so is it through this
not possible to get a estimate on what the prizes for winning wouldt be as
i conclude that the amount involved should be enough to offer pre known
cash prizes for at least one division ?
correct me if i'm wrong;
8 paintsponsors equals 8 million pballs ( thought it was 1.2 million this season)
8 million pballs sold at say 35,- euro's gives 140.000,-
At the start of the season it's known which sponsors are in, production cost are
known so why not be clear on the prices that can be won.
Next to this is also the silver/gold/platinum sponsor money and the prize vouchers.
Does the sales of the sponsor fields at the end of the season also go to the MS ?
Maybe a clarification on what the difference is between the MS and a promoter is
also needed. After Camp this year the MS took heat on what the MS stated as not
''their'' responsibility.
Don't get me wrong, profit is not an ugly word but maybe things should be a bit
more transparent to the customer as to what they can expect.
The ''hey we do our best and were losing money'' routine is getting old.
p.s. I'm quite familiar with the production cost of a 90+ MS event as i did
two so we don't have to elaborate on that but we can always compare cost.
It’s just a matter of uploading an excel sheet.
Edit >>> spelling was a mess...
True tho in my first reply i did point out that getting 11 million paintballs off the paint suppliers for free and then selling it for a profit isnt that making money whilst not doing a great deal of work cos like i said if each box of paint is sold for £35 isnt that a easy £192,500 just on paint sales a considerable amount for doing nothing really except saying give us 1 million paintballs and you can the seel paint at our events !!
Hell i wish i could make a turn over like that in my business
Hell i wish i could make a turn over like that in my business
The Millennium Is a business. We offer a service at a market price. People use it and pay the price or don't. Its their decision (whether player or vendor) whether they do so.
If we get it right we will make money. We will have been successfull and people will have had a good time at the same time... great. If we get it wrong people will vote with their feet and we will end up out of business.
WKD. I am sure the Millennium would sell you the paint for 1/2 of what you say. There is still plenty left. Ask Beard if you are interested.
Markie. All changed this year. All goes to the M/S. Which now does a lot more and employs a lot more people. The accounts can of course be seen at Companies house.
Thats all
If we get it right we will make money. We will have been successfull and people will have had a good time at the same time... great. If we get it wrong people will vote with their feet and we will end up out of business.
WKD. I am sure the Millennium would sell you the paint for 1/2 of what you say. There is still plenty left. Ask Beard if you are interested.
Markie. All changed this year. All goes to the M/S. Which now does a lot more and employs a lot more people. The accounts can of course be seen at Companies house.
Thats all
You talk about being fair on the promoters who support the series but it is not they who foot the bill for the one million paintballs they have to give away.
They pass it on to the customers!
We felt this in Toulouse when we were told out paint prices were triple what they normally were to help pay for the paint given to the organisers.
They pass it on to the customers!
We felt this in Toulouse when we were told out paint prices were triple what they normally were to help pay for the paint given to the organisers.