Campaign Marshalling merged threads

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Liz
The only other comment I have on the reffing is regarding Shockwave Am on the Splatch field. Sam has been on these boards for a couple of weeks saying how they were going to show they were the best, straightest, hardest working and most unbiassed reffing team in the UK. Well guys, from what I saw I think you proved your point! Very tough, but fair and exceptionally hard working indeed.

Thank you Liz, this was the kind of praise we got from teams like Strange, Ugly Ducklings,Bushwackers, GZ, Shockwave, Tigers, Wicked, Sharpshooters, Powertrip and a lot of the UK teams in attendence. I, and my team were determined to do the best job that we could do for the teams in attendence. I said to one of the Powertrip guys that I wanted to do a good as a job at judging CC as they did judging Joy, and when one of the Powertrip guys came off field he said that we had succeeded in doing so, i was proud of the team, and proud of myself. We were determined to judge teams to the kind of level that we as a team would like to be judged, being fair and impartial, yet judging in accordance with the rules, personally i think we succeeded, and the supportive comments from many many people from many different teams from various countries reinforces that assertion.

I will be honest and put my hand on my heart and say that there are teams out there that i dont like on a personal level, for whatever reason, and there are teams that i would genuinely like to win, when these teams came on my field (field 2, Splatch) i made even more of an effort to be impartial and be 100% fair, personally i thought i did a great job, and thought that my team did equally as well. I had many people thank us during and after the tournament for some of the best reffing they had seen in the Series as a whole this season. When that comes from the likes of the very best pro and Am A teams, it means a great deal, as it is not praise that is handed out indiscriminantly.

Sadly at this event I saw some of the worst cheating i have ever seen, by some of the smallest and biggest names in paintball, and when people are prepared to push the rules, lesser known teams like those marshalling on the back fields are going to struggle. I was doing the pre game speeches at the DYE trade stand end of the Splatch field and i tried to give the players the feeling that no bad behaviour would be tolerated and we would be strict but fair. I thought that that was exactly what we were, unafraid to make the important calls on the big teams that lesser judges would let players get away with. I has a lot of praise, and heard very little in the way of complaint from any of the teams that played our field.

One thing that i would warn spectators is that frequently, people on the sideline are too quick to judge and often get the wrong end of the stick when they try to analyse what a judge has done. This was typical of the reaction of a spectator from Evolution when Takeover played Backlash on my Field. The spectator did not realise what was going on and just made the situation a whole lot worse by his actions on the side line, screaming "bias" and "cheaters" to the three judges assessing the situation. He later apologised, but was too quick to judge what he was not in a position to see properly and i am sure that this was not the only field to experience this kind of thing. So when you are on the sidelines, please remember that the judges are on field for a reason, so that they can get te best view of the plays, so just keep your opinions to yourself and let the game play out.

Peace

 

[sjt19]

Shockwave

Originally posted by Mike (Exodus)
Got to agree with Liz. You guys were friendly, approachable but we sure knew who was in charge and you were on the ball

Thankyou, it means a lot to get that kind of appreciation.

p.s you guys played great on our field, weell done.

sam

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Tom Tom
I must agree that field 2 was the best marshalled and most fun to play for me. Sam was harsh with everything but fair and he did not favor any one team over another. However we did not have any real problems on any field so a huge thanks to all the marshalls.

My only gripe was that only the Splatch field (2) checked what colour paint the teams were using.

Thanks Tom, was impressed with the honesty of you guys on field, wish there were more like you!

Originally posted by Mario
the splatch field was easily the best marshalling

Cheers dude

Originally posted by Urban
The marshalls on field 2 particularly impressed... one who, after we cleaned out the last two Monkey Love players, followed us back to the flag hang to make sure Gurney didn't get pulled for paint that was all over his right side from playing tight against a tea-bag. That may be normal behaviour but I don't play many major tournaments so that stood out for me..

Thanks matey, it was me that ran back with you, didnt want to let another judge eliminate you for what was not a hit.

Originally posted by Troggy
Anyway - on a nicer note - I would like to give my personal thanks to Shockwave on field 2 - you guys (in my opinion) were the field of the tournament.

Thanks you, means a lot to hear praise like that. See you next year.

Originally posted by pbsmoker
I think that as the tourney went on the marshalls got lazy. I was at field 8 and was screaming for a paint check on one player. NOT one marshall even bothered to move to check. After the game was over I asked if I could get even one paint check during a game and he stated NO!

I dont think that the judges got lazy on our field, we were all running around like madmen on the first day of the event right through to the last finals game. Thats probably why i am still drained physically now! I hate to say it dude, but judges are not oblidged to check a player even if you are adamant that you have shot him. Judges are there to judge, and if i had checked ebery plaeyr who i was screamed at to do so by an opposition player i would never have stopped moving. On our field we had the field locked down so that every judge could watch 2/3 players each on different sides, so every player was covered. It was possible to watch a player from 10m away, keeping a close eye on him/her for eliminations.

Originally posted by nudge-team scream
From what i saw, Some of the marshalls on field 2 were abit off.... i watched a game, (not going to mention the teams) but a player visibly wiped infront of spectators and two marshalls, and they didnt do anyhting at all!! but apart from that, the rest of the marshalling on all fields was great.... What i saw may of been of a barricade. but who knows...

I dont think so matey, what you actually saw was the judge (it happened to be me i think) telling the player to wipe the paint off him rather than me doing it and giving away a players position and disrupting him in the game.The paint on him was off the barricade, and as nobody had seen him move i told him to wipe the hit off himself so that i didnt affect the course of the game. Personally i think that that is good judging......... i am actually offended that you accuse us of being off for what you totally misinterpreteted in one game! That kind of blanket statement is unfair as you didnt sit and analyse every game and evey desicion that we made over the three days. See the above qoutes for feedback on our performance........



I'm going to bed, am stillknackered fomr the event, and judging Xball.

 

[cgrieves]

Yeah field 8 was cool, a nice way to start the tourney for us (Storm 3). It all kind of went sour on field 7, all due respect to UK Marshalls 1 for beating us, I don't think you could lose to a nicer bunch of lads, but we did feel like we were up against 2 teams of Marshalls!

Who was the American-accented dude on field 8? After a few moves up the crosses with my XMag on field 8 he told me "You're vicious with that thing!" I took it as a compliment

 

[pinkstar]

Sorry for the late reply I am another player who was not happy about the standard of marshallin on the angel field. My team, SAD F.A. played it twice and I personally felt that the marshallin was not fair.

 

[cjansen]

Originally posted by cgrieves
Yeah field 8 was cool, a nice way to start the tourney for us (Storm 3). It all kind of went sour on field 7, all due respect to UK Marshalls 1 for beating us, I don't think you could lose to a nicer bunch of lads, but we did feel like we were up against 2 teams of Marshalls!

Who was the American-accented dude on field 8? After a few moves up the crosses with my XMag on field 8 he told me "You're vicious with that thing!" I took it as a compliment

That was me, and it was meant as a compliment.

The way the guys with Warp feeds could come over the top of the X's with no loader sticking up was sweet. With such a low profile, you could mow guys down with ease. Nicely done.

And props to both Storm Am teams for playing quality ball, and being all around nice guys.

Chris

 

[Russ. M]

On the Tomahawk field I got pulled just after game on for a small orange splat on the toe of my shoe. I went without issuse but found out the other team were shooting yellow.

it is not practical to check what paint each team is using for the following reasons.

1. belive it or not you can get shot by your own team (and i saw it happen in a few games)

2. non paint sponsored teeams often used different paint suppliers and therefore different colors throughout the tournament.

3. even if you are sponsored. we have had it when we have been using inferno all day, we go to the lorry to get a few more boxes and the color has changed from pink to blue.

in other words teams often have mixed colors so there is no point checking!!


oh and fatty. as far as i'm conserned our marshalling was spot on when we marshaled evolution. YOU lost plain and simple!!

 

[Weakest Link]

Originally posted by cockersrule
overall the marshalling was good, a few of the marshall looked as though they were 'scared' to be hit and so were on the side of the player that wasnt getting paint, so when he gets hit, the marshall doesnt see it and it gets wiped

question: is overly over agressive play(ie bonus balling a whole team with about 20 balls each) 1-4-1able?

You talking about the guys from Spirit of scalping running a line up your back with ten balls (as you were walking away)?

Overall it seemed like there were too types of reffing. Those that were over zealous (one field in particular, but can't remember which for certain) and then those that were really laid back (especially with the pros). The Dynasty Vs Ugly Ducklings match for example. Anyone else notice how long the last dynasty guy managed to stay in after being shot?

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by Weakest Link
The Dynasty Vs Ugly Ducklings match for example. Anyone else notice how long the last dynasty guy managed to stay in after being shot?

This game was on my field, and i will explain what happened (not that i should have to). You were on the side and you obviously had no idea what was going on because your interpretation of what happened is clearly way off the mark.

The last Dynasty player was in the back corner and was shot by a Duckling who had been shot first. It did not make sense for me to wipe him down as the Ducks were advancing and I would have been in the way. I instead watched him to make sure that i would be able to call him out when he had been shot legitimately. He was then shot again when i had called him neutral to check him, so obviously they did not count. He had about 15 shots on him, but none of them were legit hits and so i allowed him to play on. When he was shot properly i pulled him out. That ok? There is a balance between getting in the way and doing the right thing. Neither of the teams had any complaints, it was only people like you who misread the situation and get the wrong end of the stick.

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by sjt19
This game was on my field, and i will explain what happened (not that i should have to). You were on the side and you obviously had no idea what was going on because your interpretation of what happened is clearly way off the mark.

The last Dynasty player was in the back corner and was shot by a Duckling who had been shot first. It did not make sense for me to wipe him down as the Ducks were advancing and I would have been in the way. I instead watched him to make sure that i would be able to call him out when he had been shot legitimately. He was then shot again when i had called him neutral to check him, so obviously they did not count. He had about 15 shots on him, but none of them were legit hits and so i allowed him to play on. When he was shot properly i pulled him out. That ok? There is a balance between getting in the way and doing the right thing. Neither of the teams had any complaints, it was only people like you who misread the situation and get the wrong end of the stick.

I saw that game and I must admit that it looked a little chaotic but you guys obviously were totally in control. It did look like a Duckling player didn't notice the neutral call, advanced and shot the Dynasty back guy. And I remember noticing that the neutral call was absolutely necessary.

It's good to know you adjusted for the situation and did the right thing.

Neutral calls generally need to be sharpened up. In a perfect world the judge calling the neutral call will scream it loudly and clearly so that the other refs will instantly pick up on it and stop any player from advancing. But it's easier said than done during an intense game, especially as the game nears its conclusion.

My 2 cents.

Steve