Bounce, debounce, gun cheats...easy solution:

[noop]

Originally posted by Grendel-Khan
Would it be so hard to make a program that the tournies could use that would disable bounce programs? It would have to be almost a virus that could get into the programming and eliminate certain parameters.

Do I see the plot for the fourth Matrix in the ... umm ... trilogy?

 

[duffistuta]

Originally posted by Dannefaerd
What amazes me is the number of people who all seem to "know" about teams that have these "cheats" put onto their boards and markers, etc ... but who (on the face of things) have never complained to the promoter or head ref at an event.

Name and shame guys ... by not saying anything you tend to be accepting it as a status quo. If a few people are named, inspected at a tourney, found to be cheating - and are chucked out it will be amazing to see how quickly other fall into line.

Just my 2c worth.

Martin

Not that easy - the cheats are too sophisticated. Last season I watched a novice player whose gun was blatantly firing way more than one shot per pull. I got the ultimate and he watched the player and agreed with me. After the game him and the head judge tried every trick in the book to make the gun act up - they couldn't.

The Ultimate came back and said, 'I know it's dodgy but I can't prove it - so what can I do?'

That is the heart of the problem.

 

[Red_Merkin]

video tape,
then name and shame.
duff, you identified the player, the ultimate witnessed the infraction.

build a case against players, follow them around, video tape them playing, and review the tape for clues to how the cheat was activated.

i don't know how practical that would be though...

 

[Red_Merkin]

then when you are beyond a shaddow of a doubt, the utlitmate must take the marker to a gun smith, and have someone debug the electroinics.

The thing with electronics and programming is, that if you look hard enough into the programming there will be proof that the cheat is there.

You just have to be sure that there actually is a cheat.

 

[TJ Lambini]

Meanwhile, back in the real world...



Merks, I hear you, but you're talking perfect world scenario here - ain't going to happen while players are paying to play in events and can vote with their feet.

NXL or something similar takes off then yes, it's easily solvable - until then there are no foolproof fixes given the time and resources available.

Unless you go with my FA dealio!

 

[duffistuta]

Name and shame?

When the Ultimate tested the gun and couldn't prove it was illegal?

Welcome to the law courts...

 

[Red_Merkin]

maybe i'm too synical, (naa but...)
the only way i see this problem being tackled is for two reasons.
1. Insurance companies deem that markers with modes pose too much of a risk and stop insuring paintball, or hike the cost up so much that the promoters / league have to do something about it.

2. There comes into effect a ruling body that is independant of the promoters and industry that demands that the rules on equiptment be followed and enforced.

I'm well aware that april fools was yesterday... hope this makes you chuckle though.

But if the promoters and the leagues don't really want to catch cheater guns, then we might as well all have them.

No ROF cap, all modes including full auto. Just be consistent and fair to all teams.

 

[MrPink]

Originally posted by TJ Lambini
Unless you go with my FA dealio!

So, If I start shooting F/A and get pulled, can I say "But TJ said I could"

 

[sjt19]

Originally posted by duffistuta
I got the ultimate

Snitch Expect a visit from the boys Duff

 

[trummar]

We need solutions that will keep less people occupied with checking guns. Simple as that.