bottles - which ones are allowed ?
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Steve did not H-Pac already do this at Campaign last year? It is a work around but a small one as the failure rate of fittings though not high is still with us (I know about Tom Allens fittings before anyone says anything and that is still forcing people to spend money, however sensible that would be) and as such where do the MS event insurers stand as to a product used that is illegal in the country of operation however it has been filled.Originally posted by Wadidiz
You're exactly on-track, my friend.
wow fcuk me with a feather duster, im on a track
If we go onto fittings are you talking about the gun fittings? if so are they not the players responsibility? so the player is liable for the damge he does to himself and others?
If we go onto fittings are you talking about the gun fittings? if so are they not the players responsibility? so the player is liable for the damge he does to himself and others?
I haven't the foggiest.
(While I've got you here, Uncle Sam WANTS YOU for judging. Send me an e-mail please, if you're still interested.)
The following info is supplied by the governing body for pressure equipment in the Netherlands.
In 1999 the PED (Pressure Equipment Directive 97/23/CE) was formed.
Under this directive all kinds of stuff is regulated but regarding cylinders it
states that small cylinders with the CE mark are deemed legal through Europe
as this is the common way to mark these cylinders through the PED.
Cylinders that are marked with Pi are also legal but Pi stands for the commercial
transport of pressurized cylinders (which private paintball cylinders don’t apply to)
If an event takes place in which people want to use pressure equipment that is not in
accordance with the PED a special permit needs to be granted.
This permit will be granted by the local council as they are responsible for the industry regulations in their area. (as an example, the fire department are allowed to advice in this)
For the use of certified DOT bottles here in Amsterdam a positive advice will be given
every time a permit for this is requested.
DOT is not regulated through the PED but it stands and is recognized by officials as such.
The only thing a promoter needs to do is to have it taken up in their event permit, this also
is needed for emergency plans and such.
If nothing is regulated in the permit and something happens the promoter is screwed.
So DOT bottles are not illegal by standard, they are just not regulated by the PED.
A simple request by the promoter to the concerning officials will make things clear
if they are allowed or not at the specific event.
Again i’m speaking from an Amsterdam perspective, i received all of this in black & white
for an Amsterdam based series but I can imagine that this also applies to other cities.
In 1999 the PED (Pressure Equipment Directive 97/23/CE) was formed.
Under this directive all kinds of stuff is regulated but regarding cylinders it
states that small cylinders with the CE mark are deemed legal through Europe
as this is the common way to mark these cylinders through the PED.
Cylinders that are marked with Pi are also legal but Pi stands for the commercial
transport of pressurized cylinders (which private paintball cylinders don’t apply to)
If an event takes place in which people want to use pressure equipment that is not in
accordance with the PED a special permit needs to be granted.
This permit will be granted by the local council as they are responsible for the industry regulations in their area. (as an example, the fire department are allowed to advice in this)
For the use of certified DOT bottles here in Amsterdam a positive advice will be given
every time a permit for this is requested.
DOT is not regulated through the PED but it stands and is recognized by officials as such.
The only thing a promoter needs to do is to have it taken up in their event permit, this also
is needed for emergency plans and such.
If nothing is regulated in the permit and something happens the promoter is screwed.
So DOT bottles are not illegal by standard, they are just not regulated by the PED.
A simple request by the promoter to the concerning officials will make things clear
if they are allowed or not at the specific event.
Again i’m speaking from an Amsterdam perspective, i received all of this in black & white
for an Amsterdam based series but I can imagine that this also applies to other cities.
Very enlightening Markie. That certainly seem reasonable. I hope some people are paying attention.
Sam, I'm sure he meant other cities in the Netherlands. I hope it is true for other European cities as well if not in UK.
Steve
Sam, I'm sure he meant other cities in the Netherlands. I hope it is true for other European cities as well if not in UK.
Steve
Someone buys a handgun from a gangbanger then runs around shooting it in the street and gets hurt as a result. He cannot sue because the purchase was illegal therefore nothing is binding.
The players cannot sue unless they exchange cash for a fill, h-pac and ms are exempt from liability due to 3rd party contract law, the player being the 3rd party has no legal right to sue for damages. Players would also find it difficult to sue under tort law as the MS has made them aware of their bottle being illegal for use, by ignoring this notice and using a dot bottle anyway they are disclaiming much of the responsibilities of the other parties. This is particularly arguable if all players are made aware of this when/before paying/signing entrance fees.
Sorry I have to study this kinda crap
If it is illegal to fill a dot tank however then h-pac could get into trouble with the relevant government prosecution service, unless they have special allowance (permit of some sort) but this is unlikely unless there is a serious accident in the wrong place. Even then they may not be liable, the circumstances of the event decide how much the law can be twisted, sorry I mean manipulated....no wait I mean interpreted
Either way, someone is more likely to get hurt by using an out of date beaten up bottle than a perfect condition, in-date, DOT bottle... It really is pencil pushing bullsh!t!!
The players cannot sue unless they exchange cash for a fill, h-pac and ms are exempt from liability due to 3rd party contract law, the player being the 3rd party has no legal right to sue for damages. Players would also find it difficult to sue under tort law as the MS has made them aware of their bottle being illegal for use, by ignoring this notice and using a dot bottle anyway they are disclaiming much of the responsibilities of the other parties. This is particularly arguable if all players are made aware of this when/before paying/signing entrance fees.
Sorry I have to study this kinda crap
If it is illegal to fill a dot tank however then h-pac could get into trouble with the relevant government prosecution service, unless they have special allowance (permit of some sort) but this is unlikely unless there is a serious accident in the wrong place. Even then they may not be liable, the circumstances of the event decide how much the law can be twisted, sorry I mean manipulated....no wait I mean interpreted
Either way, someone is more likely to get hurt by using an out of date beaten up bottle than a perfect condition, in-date, DOT bottle... It really is pencil pushing bullsh!t!!
Just to clear things up for those hoping to get by on a technicality, Bitburg is not U.S. soil.
It used to be part of the base there but it was given back to the Germans. Otherwise with the way things are in the world, there would be a gate around it,with Security Forces and none of us would get in toting "guns".
Except maybe the few Air Force and Army guys who play. Good Luck to them by the way!!
It used to be part of the base there but it was given back to the Germans. Otherwise with the way things are in the world, there would be a gate around it,with Security Forces and none of us would get in toting "guns".
Except maybe the few Air Force and Army guys who play. Good Luck to them by the way!!