All change...X into Europe

[Robbo]

Euro-X

Originally posted by crazzzy
Robbo, is it true that you had a meeting concerning Euro-X at the WC?
How did it go? What are the plans? Also, would this league work in the same way as in tha states, with teams buying a franchise for appr $200K??? Who would afford that???
On another note, I believe the 8 euroteams should be:
Ducklings
The Russkies
Tonton
Joy
Shockwave
Ignition
Enemy
Tigers
Those are the teams that have proven themselves strong over the last year…
My two cents…

Crazzzy, yes I did, on Sunday night, Richmond Sergei, Laurent and myself went out for a meal to try and work out the best way to integrate X-Ball into Europe and in the process ended up coming up with a package that affects not only us but also the US.
I don't want to give too much away at the moment because both Richmond and Laurent have to go away and sell the new idea to the PSP promoters and to the Millennium board respectively.

If our plan is taken on board by both organisations, then exciting times are ahead, that's for sure but that’s for Laurent and Richmond to announce, not me.
As for what teams are involved depends upon a lot of things not least of which would be money but not the sums you mention, leastwise for the Euro teams.
We'll see what unfolds in the next few weeks.
Robbo

 

[sjt19]

Robbo

does the emergence of X-ball mean that thetop US pros like Dynasty, GZ, SC, Bob'b' Aftershock and Lanche will no longer be playing in Europe? and is the setting up of Chuck Hendsch's 7 man designed to attract more Euro teams to compete in the US? Will the US pros only play X-ball or will they still play some NPPL?

sam

 

[Robbo]

Robbo

Originally posted by sjt19
does the emergence of X-ball mean that thetop US pros like Dynasty, GZ, SC, Bob'b' Aftershock and Lanche will no longer be playing in Europe? and is the setting up of Chuck Hendsch's 7 man designed to attract more Euro teams to compete in the US? Will the US pros only play X-ball or will they still play some NPPL?
sam

Sam, hmmmm, here goes and you have to understand this answer is wholly contingent upon those plans we made being adopted by both parties, those being the PSP and Millennium.

X-ball teams, all X-Ball teams whether US or European based would be precluded from playing either the new 7 man circuit or the Millennium, in its traditional format.
As for the top Yank teams coming across, leastwise those involved in X-Ball, then yes they will if the proposals are adopted but not to play in the conventional Millennium but in the X-Ball tournament over here.
Now I must make this clear, all this is contingent on many things and is a fair way down the road and there are some obstacles in the way but I believe, both the PSP, Richmond and Laurent, Niall and the rest of the Millennium board have the expertise and will to drive this thru to its natural and logical end.
This plan would put Europe firmly on the X-Ball World map whereas the previous plans for Europe's adoption of X-Ball would have left us out in the cold and playing second fiddle to the Yank circuit for years to come.

As for the new 7 Man series being talked about, it was created I think in response to what Chuck felt was a marginalizing of the NPPL by the PSP.
He also saw the future of a global unified game format and thus the 7-man format was more to create a common game rather than courting Euro teams across to the States though I don't doubt he would not be put off if more Euro teams made the crossing. I hope this clears some of it up for you.
Robbo

 

[kris]

In my eyes X ball will be the Formula 1 of paintball
And hopefully in future years
it will run like football
e.g. If X ball is run side by side with the millenium series then you can have a truely competitive format
what i mean is that the winner of the millenium pro series is promoted up into the x ball league and the lowest x ball team is relagated back into the millenium
That way it will kill a few birds with one stone

No more sandbagging of the teams ( i take most people would want to be in the x ball league)
X ball will consist of the best teams in the world constantly
Teams will never be able to take there position of status for granted
And the teams that arn't in xball can still dream about making it to the very top
I hope it does happen
Kris
robbo please correct me if any of these points wouldn't work

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by kris
In my eyes X ball will be the Formula 1 of paintball
And hopefully in future years
it will run like football
e.g. If X ball is run side by side with the millenium series then you can have a truely competitive format
what i mean is that the winner of the millenium pro series is promoted up into the x ball league and the lowest x ball team is relagated back into the millenium
That way it will kill a few birds with one stone
No more sandbagging of the teams ( i take most people would want to be in the x ball league)
X ball will consist of the best teams in the world constantly
Teams will never be able to take there position of status for granted
And the teams that arn't in xball can still dream about making it to the very top
I hope it does happen
Kris
robbo please correct me if any of these points wouldn't work

I will try, the American model or rather the American way of doing things, at least on a franchise basis is to have the franchise teams locked in.
That means, that they purchase a franchise just like the American football teams do and the only way in is to buy in.
After all, if you put up a considerable sum of money like they are (100,000 dollars) then their investment has to be protected.
It ain't no good letting go of all that money if you get booted out at the end of the year by coming bottom.
There will be a natural wastage of teams over the years where their results may force them to leave for obvious reasons and this wastage would be replaced with teams who can uphold all the criteria for joining.
In the States, this would mean the teams have to have an initial sum of $100,000, the team has to be formalised in terms of ownership and structure and it also has to be competitive.
As for the criteria for joining the European X-Ball league, that has yet to be worked out but it has to be along similar lines although the cash input required will not be as great for obvious reasons.

Now, I think, there has to be some provision for teams to be able to move in and out of the league otherwise we effectively bar all other teams from being bale to compete at the top and so castrate any aspirations they may have for playing there.
But in this world, where money talks and the Americans walk, who knows what will happen because although we will have our own league where the Americans will come, they are doing the driving in terms of organisation and set ups and accordingly we will have to follow suit to some degree but I also believe that there is enough flexibility in the proposed arrangements that would allow differing league workings.
As I said in another post, nothing’s for sure yet, we'll have to wait and see.
Robbo

 

[sjt19]

Robbo

if this Euro X-ball idea goes ahead and the top 8 or so Euro pros join the X-ball franchise wouldnt it mean that the standars of the Millenniums would decrease, as there would be a lack of serious competition at the top level?? would this mean that Am teams could more easily make the step up into the pro division, thus weakening the Am division. i doubt the Nov teams would move up 'en mass' as the entry fees are higher. think about Campaign as an example, take out all the Us pro teams, and the top 8 Euro teams, you are left with maybe one of two teams of any real talent and many teams seemingly there to make up the numbers.
while i agree that the formation of an Xball league would be beneficial to the sport, it would also seriously weaken the existing structures of the Millennium circuit.

if this goes Xball in Europe ahead, when is it likely to come into effect??

sorry Robbo if you feel i am over questioning you!!!!!

sam

 

[Stan]

$100,000

Ah ha ha ha ha haaaa!

 

[Robbo]

Robbo

Originally posted by sjt19
if this Euro X-ball idea goes ahead and the top 8 or so Euro pros join the X-ball franchise wouldnt it mean that the standars of the Millenniums would decrease, as there would be a lack of serious competition at the top level?? would this mean that Am teams could more easily make the step up into the pro division, thus weakening the Am division. i doubt the Nov teams would move up 'en mass' as the entry fees are higher. think about Campaign as an example, take out all the Us pro teams, and the top 8 Euro teams, you are left with maybe one of two teams of any real talent and many teams seemingly there to make up the numbers.
while i agree that the formation of an Xball league would be beneficial to the sport, it would also seriously weaken the existing structures of the Millennium circuit.
if this goes Xball in Europe ahead, when is it likely to come into effect??
sorry Robbo if you feel i am over questioning you!!!!!
sam

I doubt the European X-Ball league would contain 8 teams but if it does then I don't think it will significantly affect the Am teams that much as their exposure to the pros was limited to maybe two games per tournament anyway.
It was even thought that next season the pros would just play the pros before any idea of changing to X-Ball was even made and this would have meant no am / nov v pro confrontations anyway.
The only serious way teams are going to get better is to train properly and more often, you don't need to play the pros to get there, you just need to watch them and then try to identify what they do and then go away and train.
After all, you don't get football teams not improving just because they don't get to play Manchester United or the almighty Spurs
If it all goes to plan and both sides accept the proposals then it all unfolds next year.
Robbo

 

[Collier]

Off topic

Robbo,

Cheers for confirming my hit at simply the best when there wasn't a marshall around!

Paul

 

[Tortoise-Licker]

who gives two sh!ts about the x-ball everyone knows the big games is where the game is at.
when will you tourney players wake up and smell the roses.
the sooner you smell them you will realise that tourney ball is full of cheats and whipers. [look at avalanche
At big games you get no cheaters, because everybody is out for a good time, howmany people leave a tourney with huge smiles On thier faces???
Just the winners??? I thought so!!!
get your arses to a big game now and have that big gleaming grin like the rest of us.
Oh I'm pished by the way so this is all true
ban me I don't care anymore