A must read - PA rule change for the 2005 season

[Pump'n'Splat]

But not under this ruling.... Apologies, I didn't explain that very well. What I meant to say is it's hypocritical in this scenario:

it's ok to cheat so long as you're capped at 15bps. But it's also considered cheating if you have the skill to outshoot a cheat.

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by Pump'n'Splat
But not under this ruling.... Apologies, I didn't explain that very well. What I meant to say is it's hypocritical in this scenario:

it's ok to cheat so long as you're capped at 15bps. But it's also considered cheating if you have the skill to outshoot a cheat.

But it isn't hypocritical. The rof cap is just that a cap same as velocity. If there wasn't a cap then the assisted modes couldn't be bought in with safety in mind.

Which is safer, shot at 18bps by a 'skilled' player or shot at 15 bps by someone using a 'cheat' board?

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Pump'n'Splat
1--I know you can't identify a cheat board at the moment as is. My view is that rather than giving in to their use, attempt to put legislation in place where a cheat board CAN be identified.

My Argument is twofold:

a) Safety, I don't accept the arguments that extra balls that you haven't physically delivered makes game safer. And you gotta remember if this legislation comes in, it wont be experienced ballers using these boards, it'll be everyone, right down to the teams who've only just picked up guns. Also the grey areas created by the rule cause as many headaches as they solve.

b) Skilled ballers who don't need this software could be unfairly penalised.

1--You might as well say I know people can't fly by flapping their arms but why can't we live in a universe where we can fly by flapping our arms? It's just nonsensical.
However, if there is such a value placed on unaided shooting fast (which is a joke of its own) then when the technology exists to enforce such rules such rules become worth considering. In the meantime unenforceable rules are more harmful to the sport than this alternative. If nothing else it's merely a practical matter.
a) God forbid newbies be allowed to use scary bad markers. The relevant "safety" consideration is control, not volume of paint. and, no, there are no additional gray areas being created.
b) if you're really so concerned about these imaginary skilled ballers why no objections to different triggers and set-ups? How fair is it that a Timmy trigger is easier to pull fast than some other marker? If the value you're claiming is player skill at shooting fast shouldn't everyone be using as near to identical equipment as possible so it's the "skill" that makes the difference?

Also, why is it "cheating" if the rules are changed to allow certain things they didn't previously allow? If it's legal by rule then it obviously isn't cheating. The real problem for most of y'all is an emotional attachment to one way of playing and a grim determination to hang on no matter what. And for those who think the "skill" of shooting fast is of critical importance you have a lot to learn about playing PB.

 

[Pump'n'Splat]

Mate, I have no problem with a ROF Cap. If all this was about was a ROF cap then I wouldn't object in the slightest.

The use of a cheat board isn't about a cap, it's about giving every player, regardless of experience or skill the ability to add shots to their string that they never initiated in their marker. In my eyes that's a safety issue. It also means that it's not really a sport anymore, if everyone can effortlessly shoot lanes, then it's just going to become a formulated "sit behind bunkers til he's out of pots" affair....for a similar reason this is why the F1A are starting to make rulings against the use of electrical assisted equipment out of F1 race cars.

I know that a 'skilled' player capable of 18bps is capable of stopping when I shout that i've been hit. I wouldn't bet a penny on a less experienced flash git with his cheat board being able to do the same, even at a capped BPS of 15.

 

[Pump'n'Splat]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
. And for those who think the "skill" of shooting fast is of critical importance you have a lot to learn about playing PB.

I do. I'm not an experienced baller. my experience is from what I read and how I perceive things when I watch experienced ballers. If i played under this ruling and experienced it differently, I might change my mind. I've made a deduction based on what I know through the experience of others and my resultant feelings are quite strong.

It's not that i'm not taking on board collier's (or your) comments, they are validly made, well argued and probably coming from a higher level of experience to me and I like to think that I try to see a subject from all angles. The argument i'll make is that if you say control, not volume, is the issue, how can a cheat board...which is a board designed to fire shots you haven't dialled in yourself, improve control?

I just don't think i'm the only person that will have these feelings on the areas i've outlined. And i'm sure there's people out there with oodles more experience than me that will be able to argue the point from a more hands-on viewpoint.

 

[stongle]

Originally posted by Pump'n'Splat
Mate, I have no problem with a ROF Cap. If all this was about was a ROF cap then I wouldn't object in the slightest.

The use of a cheat board isn't about a cap, it's about giving every player, regardless of experience or skill the ability to add shots to their string that they never initiated in their marker. In my eyes that's a safety issue. It also means that it's not really a sport anymore, if everyone can effortlessly shoot lanes, then it's just going to become a formulated "sit behind bunkers til he's out of pots" affair....for a similar reason this is why the F1A are starting to make rulings against the use of electrical assisted equipment out of F1 race cars.

I know that a 'skilled' player capable of 18bps is capable of stopping when I shout that i've been hit. I wouldn't bet a penny on a less experienced flash git with his cheat board being able to do the same, even at a capped BPS of 15.

Paintball's not all about downloading bullets at each other. It's been mentioned dozens of times in this thread, i mean it's not as though this rule means you can shoot 15 bps in 15 directions at once is it?

The game will evolve, this change merely eliminates a firepower advantage some teams and players have presently either through cheating or not being able to set their guns up correctly.

If they enforced True Semi only, with Robot verification, you will catch 25-35% of players with illegal (or bouncing slightly guns) and NO cheat boards.

It's about enforcability.

 

[Pump'n'Splat]

Ok, I fold

 

[stongle]

10/10 for effort though. I mean hey Collier got all 6600 of posts from this thread, i think.

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by Pump'n'Splat
It also means that it's not really a sport anymore, if everyone can effortlessly shoot lanes, then it's just going to become a formulated "sit behind bunkers til he's out of pots" affair....

Isn't that what they said on the transition from pump's to semis?

Adding shots, you think that doesn't happen already, on stock boards?

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by stongle
10/10 for effort though. I mean hey Collier got all 6600 of posts from this thread, i think.

LMAO, Feels like it!!!