Protein shakes

[Robbo]

Steriods i will say if mixed with out knowing what your doing or with out research will injure or kill.

I'm sorry mate but this is just plain hogwash because just this is done thousands of times a day across the UK with guys having no real idea of the biochemistry involved, or dosages or mixtures, and if you were right, we would be seeing a virtual epdiemic of seroius illness or deaths.....and we ain't.

And guess what Shad, I too know people who have died prematurely, and none of them took roids ....get my point?

 

[Shadlad]

Well views will differ mine is "use steriods if you want the build". Just make sure you know what goes into your body and what your doing. I aint saying it is wrong and not to do it, I am saying i know people who us them with knowing what they are doing and have good builds etc. Your self included.

But i know other people who have taken the view of fast track bulk and suffered for it asnot known what they are doing.

Like pills and other drugs we could argue all the points on them.

I think everyone should be allowed to do what they wish and the goverment should make it legal so we know what we are using.

Steriods have a black market and there is crap out there but like everything there is good and bad.

I think you think i'm against steriods, i aint i am against anything anyone does if it does effect others. If not do whatyou want ! I am against people using stuff they don'tknow about or what they are using.

 

[Robbo]

I think you think I'm against steroids, i ain't i am against anything anyone does if it does effect others. If not do what you want ! I am against people using stuff they don't know about or what they are using.

I didn't even think about whether you were for or against roids and in fact, this is academic, the reason I was taking you to task was because I believe what you were suggesting was just plain wrong.
Basically, you had the right idea but you overstated the case by vastly exaggerating the effects.
I'm afraid there is no evidence to back up what you suggest Shad in that mixing roids or not reading up on them before you take them is 'very dangerous' and 'can kill'.
Of course it makes a lot more sense to get yer ass educated before you go anywhere near them but to suggest the things you did wasn't correct.

 

[Shadlad]

Well good debate i guess and we will have our own views which is good as i respect yours. I do believe you are right in some ways as well. But i do not believe if you know nothing about steriods and you inject and mix roids it won't harm or kill you.This might not be directly ,but through side effects it can. Not knowing about roids you might be injecting substances not made for humans or dangerous black market products.

Like E and coccaine it is what is in the mixture that is dangerous. Like there is hardly any deaths due to taking "E" there are deaths from other substances in it.

Sadly no way of telling what goes into these drugs like E when illegal as un like Holland no way of testing them easily.

But as you have researched your roids you can tell if some one is selling you drugs fit for a human or not.

But my view will stay fixed steriods can injure and can kill if or if not mixed, if you don't know what your doing or what your taking.

But if you want to be like Arnie etc you need to learn how to and what to use correctly (basically what your saying)

Good debate Robbo and i take on board your views as well mate.

 

[john251282]

I have let this little roid debate bubble along quite nicely but I think I need to add something.

In terms of PROOF that roids are dangerous there is very little that is actually concrete purely because when people do human scientific research something call ethical approval is required. This is basically to ensure that the experiment is as safe as possible, and if the approval board deem it dangerous that is the end of the experiment before testing ahs even begun. What this means is that there are no boards that approve steroid testing with realistic doses. And when I say realistic I mean what someone just starting on them might take let alone what a pro bodybuilder might use. Some of those studies that have gone ahead with small doses have even shown steroids not to work because the doses are so small.

I don't think that anyone will deny that roids can have a massive effect on how quickly you can build muscle etc but that chances of concrete proof as to their side effects are unlikely to happen soon. There current reasoning on side effects is best on theory and rat etc testing.


And I would also like to add that there is no need to a young adult(20 and under) to be taking anything like this as your hormones are likely be going crazy anyway, if when you reach 20ish and you still want "help" growing then maybe look at other options.

 

[arg1271]

If all you need is a burst of energy for about ten minutes at a time such as for tourny play, rather than protein shakes which are really meant for quick absorbtion of protein after a workout, you should have a proper energy type drink or eat foods with high quick release carbs such as jaffa cakes and apples before and/or after your game.

BTW a proper energy drink is not lucozade or red bull but the powder mix stuff that athletes use. Basically quick absorbtion sugar and nutrients, and they sometimes have a shot of protein in to keep the muscles happy.

Other alternatives are recovery drinks such as pro-recovery which I use if i have to play football after doing a circuit class or something like that. You would take this after playing a round to replace lost nutrients, and be full of beans for your next round. Best sugar rush you'll ever get!

Hope helpful.

DAmn you and those jaffa cakes

 

[Dave S ECI]

Thehouse123 - you owe me £10 for Angel Jersey.

 

[phillips]

Well good debate i guess and we will have our own views which is good as i respect yours. I do believe you are right in some ways as well. But i do not believe if you know nothing about steriods and you inject and mix roids it won't harm or kill you.This might not be directly ,but through side effects it can. Not knowing about roids you might be injecting substances not made for humans or dangerous black market products.

Like E and coccaine it is what is in the mixture that is dangerous. Like there is hardly any deaths due to taking "E" there are deaths from other substances in it.

Sadly no way of telling what goes into these drugs like E when illegal as un like Holland no way of testing them easily.

But as you have researched your roids you can tell if some one is selling you drugs fit for a human or not.

But my view will stay fixed steriods can injure and can kill if or if not mixed, if you don't know what your doing or what your taking.

But if you want to be like Arnie etc you need to learn how to and what to use correctly (basically what your saying)

Good debate Robbo and i take on board your views as well mate.

Firstly you can buy Roids legally, they are legal to posess in the U.K aswell, there are also ways of teling"naff" gear from correct gear, it just takes knowhow.
If you think roids are inherently dangerouse, why are they used commonly for ligament inhuries, astma pumps, tumour treatment and then take a look at the early mr Olympias, he was( forget the individuals name) injecting hundreds times more steriods than is classed as "acceptable", yet he is ok, his cardio system is functioning correctly , he has hair ect.

However you make abrillaint point, you do have to heavily research your "medication", such as some steroids cause a lot of water retention( temperorily non the less), some give huge gains but others give more strength.

Just evaluate the risks and pro's of taking them, whoever said it shrinks your testicles permenantly though is an ignorant tw*at who knows jack all about steroids.

 

[Shadlad]

Well yes I know you can buy steriods legally and own them legally. It is against the law to sell them though. As you pointed they do have medical uses , but excesive use of them gains weight and puts strain on the heart etc. But I think you, Robbo and myself agree that if using them research them. Because as you pointed out there are simple ways to detect the fake black market stuff. But if you don't research you don't find out.

I personally believe that all drugs like this should be sold by the goverment and everyone told the risks. The taxes could pay for the medical treatment (should it be needed). I also think E should be made legal and taxes gained. Least people know what they are getting and the risks. After all who has heard of a steriod user breaking in to a house or mugging a granny for cash ? But smack head scum you hear doing it all the time.

The drugs that kill should carry life sentances for selling. Also driving on E etc you should have your balls cut off. Basically if it can't harm others use it if you want ! If you do things that cause others harm when on it face the crime.

Why make something back street that should be open. I think it would be mint watching the athletics if they all used steriods it would be like have superman doing the 100 metres.

But each to their own views

 

[Buddha 3]

The drugs that kill should carry life sentances for selling. Also driving on E etc you should have your balls cut off. Basically if it can't harm others use it if you want ! If you do things that cause others harm when on it face the crime.

That includes alcohol and cigarettes, yes? And coffee?

Oh, and if by E you mean XTC, that should go in the above list too then. Despite popular belief, XTC can kill. Quite easily for that matter.