Joy Stockholm official comment on OC NPPL

[Baca Loco]

-- but I would struggle to make that connection, and entertain it for more than a nano-second before dismissing it as some grade-A, top-drawer bollox. And if I were in the reverse position, where I actually wanted to make that shxt stick, I doubt even my best efforts and undoubted talent in propaganda management could really package it all up as a plausable theory.

A shocking admission, that is, Missy.

While I'm of the opinion that WDP are likely at this point so sensitive to such potential criticism that the reverse could be true a case can always be made. If you weren't so close to this particular situation you'd probably see it.

I'm thinking WWE wherein the fans emotions are routinely manipulated with only vaguely believable storylines purely to maintain a high level of interest be it outrage, pleasure, anger or excitement, etc. and the participants go from "good" guys to "bad" guys in the blink of an eye. Whatever else think what the likely online viewership is going to be for HB come March after the OC results. I expect it will skyrocket. Hope the bandwidth will be sufficient.

See? Piece of cake. Or pie if you prefer. Chocolate, of course.

 

[Chicago]

Not exercising influence doesn't mean you don't have it. People do all sorts of stuff to please me in anticipation of getting favors later. It doesn't matter that there are no favors to be had, people are still nicer to me than they would be were I not in the position I was in.

And I'm extremely small potatoes.

But, even in the case of Nexus in Chicago, I don't think you can argue that there was an effort from those supposedly in control to effect an outcome. Then, as now, the problem resulted not from bias of the people in control, but from a lack of any control to begin with. NPPL does not have any person whose JOB is to be responsible for the officiating. Lacking that party enables other people involved to act on their own biases/goals/whatever without correction or consequence.


I think Baca is on to something though. We should have every event end like this.

 

[MissyQ]

Did I mention that nearly 3000 people went online to watch the live webcast of the NPPL AGM meeting?
Does 5000 PPV veiwers in HB even seem unlikely any more?

and to answer your question, no, I don't see what you mean.

Inferring 'promotion of drama' in order to draw attention to the NPPL is one thing. Inferring corruption/gamefixing is another thing altogether. Someone wants to say that, they need more than smoke and mirrors.

 

[Robbo]

lol, so let me get this straight.

1. Joy get royally screwed in OC. Everyone is in uproar, even on p8ntballer, everyone gives Magued their 100% support and waits with baited breath and little patience for the NPPL to 'do something about it'.
2. Magued decides not to take this lying down, and harangues the NPPL with video evidence from just about every angle. There are hundreds of e-mails flying into the NPPL demanding an inquest. I'm talking a full-scale movement here...
3. The NPPL wait until the AGM in HB, and the subsequent rules comittee meeting, to discuss a course of action to take.
4. The NPPL make a statement basically admitting a mistake has been made, and (reading between the lines) that Joy did in fact win the game.
5. From this it is somehow possible to infer that WDP had an unfair/corrupt influence on the decision that was made?

Now lord knows I'm as fxxking jaded as the next guy, there is little I have not seen in the 18 years I've been in this game, but I would struggle to make that connection, and entertain it for more than a nano-second before dismissing it as some grade-A, top-drawer bollox. And if I were in the reverse position, where I actually wanted to make that shxt stick, I doubt even my best efforts and undoubted talent in propaganda management could really package it all up as a plausable theory.

Well, this is gonna be my last post on this because i would rather maintain the good relations we have both enjoyed in the past than go down a road whereby it descends...

1. None more than myself .. read what I have written, I think what I have said about Magued and Joy is self explanatory and also explains my position, try reading it Missy.

2. You don't see any argument from me on this one but since when has the NPPL in the past taken a similar stance when injustices have been done?
This is the first time to my knowledge that retrospective action has been taken.
When Nexus were screwed out of a finals spot by Rage because of a falsified score sheet, no such retro action taken was taken even though I had an email from PD apologizing for his mistake waiting in my in-box the day I landed back in the UK.

3. Cool glad to hear it, it's the way things should be done.

4. Fantastic, once again, glad to hear it and it's the right thing to do but let's face it, once again it's unprecedented and beggars the inevitable question.

5. FFS Missy, I don't know what rationale you are employing so as to preclude any outside involvement but I can't see anything that you have mentioned thus far that actively precludes any possibility of 'influence'.

Now, if you were to ask me flat out, did I think WDP played an active role in actively manipulating these unprecedented courses of actions, I would have to answer, 'No', but Missy, just because I am of that opinion, should never, and would never prevent me from asking the question.
You have answered it, and I accept your answer, should I feel sorry for upsetting you?
Well, I don't particularly like the thought I did piss you off because of our history and respect for each other.
Maybe I have become far too cynical for my own good, but of late, my cynicism has been well founded.
And so, as a mate, I am sorry I pissed you off, but as an involved party, I ain't sorry I asked the question.
It's my job to do exactly that, just as it is your job to defend your company.
Do we understand each other?

 

[MissyQ]

Pete,
As far as I am concerned, now that you have made your own opinion clear, I am 100% satisfied. For a moment I thought you were buying into this drivel yourself.
I'm not offended at all, quite relieved actually. Of course 'the question' is going to be asked, but it is going to be asked by people who don't know any better, and I can certainly live with that.

Now, should something come up like this again, and not get the same consideration, then it would be fair to ask whether Joy got uneven treatment, and it would also be fair for you to apply your Chicago example. If however the NPPL has made a precedent and teams are permitted this avenue of mitgation in the future, then in my opinion that would simply mean that the service to teams has improved from the 1st to 4th season, which would be hoped for and expected. Time will tell, but expect a lot of changes in the NPPL next season. You heard it here first.

 

[Robbo]

Pete,
As far as I am concerned, now that you have made your own opinion clear, I am 100% satisfied. For a moment I thought you were buying into this drivel yourself.
.

I don't buy into drivel Missy, I ignore it and make up my own mind using my OWN rationale and the reason I do that is simple, I trust my thinking more than I do others, even yours


As for the changes next year, cool I will look forward to the changes and will document them and applaud them if they are deserved, which I am sure they will be.
The only thing the NPPL needed was stability as you well know, the mindset was always there to expand our sport and create an improved package for team and vendor but there will be hiccups along the way, just don't expect me to ignore them

And nor will I ever ignore the good things, my record on that Missy, as you well know, is unchallenged by any other individual in this sport of ours.

 

[Baca Loco]

Inferring 'promotion of drama' in order to draw attention to the NPPL is one thing. Inferring corruption/gamefixing is another thing altogether. Someone wants to say that, they need more than smoke and mirrors.

Running a sports entertainment operation like the WWE takes a lot of work, advance planning, complex coordination and a master plan. So obviously I was joking.

Now if you want to talk about something that could, after the fact anyway, look odd how 'bout Perez returning for OC and pulling and replacing the whole NPPL field crew that had worked Boston and SD for--far as I know--mostly the crew that had worked Tampa? I thought Boston and SD were the best officiated events of the year tho some may disagree.
I'm not really trying to put you on the spot, Missy, nor do I expect you have any idea about what happened and why. My point is, that however unpalatable it may be, asking the questions and holding views that might differ from yours is certainly no indication of antipathy to you or the league. Reasonable and reasonably well-informed peeps can disagree.

Can't we all just get along? (Excepting Chi-town, of course.)

 

[Milky]

Now if you want to talk about something that could, after the fact anyway, look odd how 'bout Perez returning for OC and pulling and replacing the whole NPPL field crew that had worked Boston and SD for--far as I know--mostly the crew that had worked Tampa? I thought Boston and SD were the best officiated events of the year tho some may disagree.

Agreed Boston and SD were fare better

if you watch the trauma head dvds of boston or SD i can't remember Alex does exactly the same doesnt go and trys to get in the way. The ref just doesnt look away from the game and "assists" him in leaving the field with a gentle shove where as you see dan interacting with alex. ANd boston and sd the refs were faster at making calls and there were more refs pulling more 141s and less arguing after the games.

 

[Chicago]

By the way, Baca...

The 90-second rule has nothing to do with giving the refs the ability to regain control of the game. It's there because if you didn't have it, you could commit major penalties in the final 90 seconds and only have to serve half of them, or less.

And remember that major penalties are 'willful' - playing on with obvious hits, etc. The people most in control of those penalties being assessed are the players who commit the infractions.

Without the 90-second rule, if there's 30 seconds on the board and I'm down one, there is no reason not to just run down the field with hits. Nothing to lose.

 

[Baca Loco]

By the way, Baca...

The 90-second rule has nothing to do with giving the refs the ability to regain control of the game. It's there because if you didn't have it, you could commit major penalties in the final 90 seconds and only have to serve half of them, or less.

And remember that major penalties are 'willful' - playing on with obvious hits, etc. The people most in control of those penalties being assessed are the players who commit the infractions.

Without the 90-second rule, if there's 30 seconds on the board and I'm down one, there is no reason not to just run down the field with hits. Nothing to lose.

Silly me. Here I was imagining that competent officials could actually call appropriate penalites and come up with an appropriate result without having to resort to "we can't tell what the hell happened but it must'a been illegal, unfair and generally nasty so let's just give a point to the other guys and call it a day."

And I will also dispute that major calls are always willful. That's nonsense on stilts.