Joy Stockholm official comment on OC NPPL

[Fish]

a warning??? what is that?! like the equilivant of being a naughty boy at primary school???

in all fairness, what everyone has been after, has just happened; joy have had their name cleared officially, and dynasty have been humiliated (especially fraige for that interview! ). nothing more will ever really happen, but maybe this incident will inspire some changes on and off the field with regards to making decisions in the heat of the moment (no idea what can be done really... but im just speculating )


well, congratulations magued and joy. good luck in '07

 

[Buddha 3]

Although I am quite curious what a warning means, let's not all jump to conclusions.
Having to post this is a major loss of face for the NPPL, and I'm pretty sure that there will be some ass kicking going on behind the scenes. Just because we don't see things, doesn't mean they ain't happening. I doubt there won't be some people having a 'less than satisfactory' appraisal.

 

[Christian-Malera]

Although I am quite curious what a warning means, let's not all jump to conclusions.
Having to post this is a major loss of face for the NPPL, and I'm pretty sure that there will be some ass kicking going on behind the scenes. Just because we don't see things, doesn't mean they ain't happening. I doubt there won't be some people having a 'less than satisfactory' appraisal.

you are right, but a warning.....if they can make a deccisions not to ban someone, they should be able to ban someone also you would think warning...

but atleast something was done.

 

[Wadidiz]

[Yo, whaddup, big man.]

...Having to post this is a major loss of face for the NPPL...

Au contraire, I think the reverse is true. I don't think NPPL could buy better marketing. When a public organization stubbornly and proudly stonewalls in the face of obvious mistakes or deficiencies, resentment builds up with consequent loss of support. Owning up to clear mistakes like NPPL have done strikes a positive chord in most of us. We see a company that has excelled in maintaining a very professional and fun image admit that they are humans and can make mistakes.

...and I'm pretty sure that there will be some ass kicking going on behind the scenes...

As importantly, it shows us that they see things that need fixing. Such a statement further compels them to do something about this major area of deficiency. This "situation" may be one of the best things that happened to NPPL and pro paintball.

I think what happened is the most in-your-face example of the major faults with the standard single-goal format with the rules the way they are now. It's more surprising that this kind of fiasco hasn't happened more often. As has been repeated many times here, there's no way you're not going to create chaos and go for bust, not stop for sushi and do what it takes to win the game when it comes down to the wire. Often a team can play on like crazy, most likely not get caught, but if caught absorb the penalty and still win the game.

I wonder, what would happen in exactly the same situation, starting from when it became four-on-four, if the game had taken place on an NXL field? (This is an honest question, not rhetorical.)

Obviously something like the 90 second rule NXL have would make a big difference. Should NPPL have maybe a 60 or 45 second rule wherein any penalty that would result in at least a one-for-one automatically gives the hang to the other team? That would cause some major change in behavior, assuming we had a top-notch reffing crew.

Another thing that seriously needs addressing is the laxness regarding leaving the field when eliminated. This is about behavior modification that is totally possible and should be immediately phased in. Simply publicize that from now on players will be penalized every single time for not leaving the field immediately (like it already says in their rules). That means the ONLY behavior that would be tolerated henceforth would be immediately calling for a paintcheck or checking yourself and then immediately signalling elimination and leaving the field if hit. No waiting for a ref to pull an armband, no picking pods up, no bitching about "I didn't shoot my gun!" Do this and there will be one tournament of a certain amount of whining and pushing the refs to be totally consistent and then things would shape up.

 

[Revolt]

sorry i have to do it i just cant help myself

im off to pbnation to wind up EVERY single little see you en tee that were like

"Dynasty won fair n square they pwnzlifz0r"

 

[beanbag83]

Another thing that seriously needs addressing is the laxness regarding leaving the field when eliminated. This is about behavior modification that is totally possible and should be immediately phased in. Simply publicize that from now on players will be penalized every single time for not leaving the field immediately (like it already says in their rules). That means the ONLY behavior that would be tolerated henceforth would be immediately calling for a paintcheck or checking yourself and then immediately signalling elimination and leaving the field if hit. No waiting for a ref to pull an armband, no picking pods up, no bitching about "I didn't shoot my gun!" Do this and there will be one tournament of a certain amount of whining and pushing the refs to be totally consistent and then things would shape up.

Definately, this whole situation, and Dynastys BS Win came from two Dynasty players staying on the field well after they were Eliminated.

sorry i have to do it i just cant help myself

im off to pbnation to wind up EVERY single little see you en tee that were like

"Dynasty won fair n square they pwnzlifz0r"

It may be petty, but yeah definately agree with you there

 

[Buddha 3]

[Yo, whaddup, big man.]

Au contraire, I think the reverse is true. I don't think NPPL could buy better marketing. When a public organization stubbornly and proudly stonewalls in the face of obvious mistakes or deficiencies, resentment builds up with consequent loss of support. Owning up to clear mistakes like NPPL have done strikes a positive chord in most of us. We see a company that has excelled in maintaining a very professional and fun image admit that they are humans and can make mistakes.

Not sure I agree with the above bit. Their top judge has been proven wrong, they were quick to slap a ban on a team, they reverse the call, but the other team gets only a warning (still wonder what that means...). In other words, there are different penalties for the same offense for different teams. Weird.
But, I do feel that they have done the right thing in reversing the ban call, and not reversing the outcome of the game. The problem here is that either way things would suck. Don't change a thing and at least half the world would scream bloody murder and 'your refs suck', reverse the penalty and 'your refs still suck'. The lesser of two evils. Any reverse like this indicates a problem within your organisation. I think we all now know what the problem in this case is. This MUST learn to lessons learned and certain changes for next season.
I'd say that the matter has been handled correctly, but not that it equals good publicity.
So yes, it was the best thing to do, but I don't think it'll be good publicity. Kinda like the US elections of 2000 were not good publicity for democracy.

I think that the main decider on how good or bad this has been will be any changes that come out of this.

Oh, and I'm doing good my man. How is yourself doing? What will you be doing next season?

 

[Wadidiz]

So yes, it was the best thing to do, but I don't think it'll be good publicity.

There's probably no way to measure how much positive sympathy (can't think of a better word right now) has been generated for NPPL because they responded by doing the only thing they really could do.

I totally agree with you that this was an embarrassing fiasco for them. I'm just saying by making a de facto admission of mucking things up and stating they will seek to mend things appeals to the majority. I've seen it many times on many stages on the world scene. One modest example is when the Governator public admitted that he had slapped the buttocks of many a female colleague and employee and basically asked for forgiveness. The public melted. Clinton not owning up was a good example of the flip side (not that he should have needed to even discuss such issues).

When I wrote the only thing they could really do I mean they could not reverse any in-game call without opening up a keg of worms. That's simply not done any more. Therefore they were limited to reversing suspensions and giving "warnings". Why toothless warnings? Maybe their logic is that it is acceptable to subtract after-game penalties but not add any.

Kinda like the US elections of 2000 were not good publicity for democracy.

That election was a major cluster muck which really exposed the lack of democracy. I even wrote my congressman about it. But did they come out an admit how screwed up things are, apologized and then say they would work on fixing it? If they had, they would have saved mycket face and maybe won/re-won some hearts and minds. There are quite a few things I'd like to see officially apologized about in my homeland but that opens up a whole nother can of worms.

What will you be doing next season?

I's dandy. Don't know. Maybe nothing to do with PB, maybe run a scenario business or work with NES again. How 'bout joself?

 

[Buddha 3]

I agree with most of what you post above. I just think it's strange that the punishment has 'lessened' for physical contact, particularly with the amount of damning evidence. But I am happy that Joy is out of trouble.

As for what I'll be doing next year, I'm hoping to continue my career as a paintball tourist, meaning I won't be playing much but rather be visiting some of the more fun places where tournaments are held.
Don't have much time to play, given that I have to split my time between being a family man, playing American football and being a pimp...I mean working in the music business.

 

[Baca Loco]

Yo, Steverino. Happy Generic Seasonal Holiday Greetings to you. (Wouldn't want to offend anybody, now would we?)

There's probably no way to measure how much positive sympathy (can't think of a better word right now) has been generated for NPPL because they responded by doing the only thing they really could do.

How 'bout zip, zero, nada, bupkiss? That's four words. I think after 6 weeks, thousands of posts, tens of thousands of views, more than a few assorted videos this "response" just barely qualifies as damage control. Also, maybe I missed it but where is the "official" statement on the NPPL website?

I totally agree with you that this was an embarrassing fiasco for them. I'm just saying by making a de facto admission of mucking things up and stating they will seek to mend things appeals to the majority.

Where did anyone -- in the official statement -- suggest they will/are seeking to amend anything other than to mollify the potential player base without actually assessing any real penalties to anyone (far as we know) for an incident that has cost the league pretty dearly.