XFactor to the NXL?

[Robbo]

And I seem to have done it with regards to about 6 different things at the same time!

I couldn't find the surrender button though...

....Sod it, I forgot, Brockdorff's got permanent custody of it and is obviously still trying to work how to use it

Chi Towm, I seem to remember a mutual skinny friend of ours giving you some well-meant advice one time that went something along the lines of, 'Dude, you are a really bright guy but sometimes xxxxx, you just gotta give way otherwise you just make yourself look stupid'.

You are way too smart to lower yourself to plain old bigotry, way too smart !
Sometimes it's better to listen to your head than it is to follow your pride, I made a similar mistake in Tampa

 

[Baca Loco]

Hey now, we were BOTH wasting our time!

If we can't agree on an axiomatic concept like a full-round robin when you have 16 teams is gross overkill, we're not going to agree on anything relying on that axiom. But I think you've been unduly critical of me for not sharing your opinion on that issue, considering the number of sports that would use a 16-team round robin over preliminary brackets with additional rounds. ('the number' being 'zero') The additional information you get playing 15 matches instead of 3 matches is just not worth the time or money.

My point isn't that the NXL SHOULD play a full round robin, only that the results acquired by doing so maximize the integrity, if you will, of the outcomes and as the number of matches or games played decreases and the competition pool any one team competes against shrinks the results becomes more abstract. My problem with your point of view here is that however you wish to crunch your numbers they do little but validate whatever the outcome is, they are not predictive, and we play the games in order to see who is best (at least at a particular point in time.) The statistical argument is a circular one and strikes me as contrary to the spirit of real competition and not at all useful when thinking about how to organize and develop paintball as sport.

 

[Baca Loco]

Understood Senor loco, but I would add that I haven't made an attempt to promote anything, and am always careful not to do so. The attention was drawn to the subject by our mid-western colleague, so much so that I think he is angling for a pay-check....
Endorsement is a strong word, but I can see how you got there. Perhaps if there were more Platinum sponsors there would not be the sudden 'back-slapping' operation that you notice now.

As for the ref in question, he's a personal friend of Geoff and I and we were just having a laugh. However - there are pages of bile to read through on here when the reffing is not up to scratch, so a few lines when they do a much better job is hardly overkill.

Your points re. the field are noted. Thankyou.

Fair enough. And this moderate, conciliatory Missy is kind'a creepy. First Chicago, now Missy. It's like I've suddenly landed in Bizzaroworld.

 

[MissyQ]

Missy has always been the 'vice of reason', whereas Chicago is just backpeddling in a veritable blur of motion - totally different scenarios.

 

[PSPLane]

And, Lane, I notice you've been lurking about a bit more of late.

Lurking just enough to realize a small town, uneducated guy has no place in this discussion. Hell, I can barely understand what you guys are talking about and certainly don't even grasp the specifics.

I've haven't made a bigger issue of this because it's already a done deal and while I don't mind tilting at the occasional windmill I'll see no satisfaction from this one.

I think you completely understand the reasoning behind the decision. It may not be announced, but I certainly don't hide from it. In a sense, I agree with lots of what you seem to think. But the fact is, the lesser of two evils was the ONLY decision that I could make.

I didn't even respond to your novella over at the "other site" though I was sorely tempted.

Much appreciated.
I think I have them fooled into believing I have good sense over there. I have ended 90% of the hot topics with a single post. Being that I oftentimes think of posting here, only to second guess that notion after reading, yet failing to comprehend, what you, Nick, Chicago, Pete, and Duffy write, because I am overwhelmed with vocabulary and reasoning challenges, I believe the same happens to lots of readers on the other site.

Again, I appreciate you leaving that alone. Everyone needs a place they can feel good about themselves

Quite frankly, I try to pick my spots. I don't like being hidden. And there are lots of discussion around here that I would have to bite my tongue in. I don't like that either. So, although there are times that I really want to add a bit, I choose not to. But, I always appreciate the level of intelligence at work here. It definitely helps me see things from other points of view.

 

[Chicago]

My point isn't that the NXL SHOULD play a full round robin, only that the results acquired by doing so maximize the integrity, if you will, of the outcomes and as the number of matches or games played decreases and the competition pool any one team competes against shrinks the results becomes more abstract. My problem with your point of view here is that however you wish to crunch your numbers they do little but validate whatever the outcome is, they are not predictive, and we play the games in order to see who is best (at least at a particular point in time.) The statistical argument is a circular one and strikes me as contrary to the spirit of real competition and not at all useful when thinking about how to organize and develop paintball as sport.

I agree that more matches is better. Double elimination is quite a bit better than single elimnation. 4-team round robin is quite a bit better than double elimination. I think the gains from 4-team round robin to 5-team round robin when you are advancing half the teams are minimal.

If only 4 teams advanced, I would argue that nothing less than two 8-team round-robin brackets would be sufficient for selecting those 4 teams.

 

[Chicago]

Missy has always been the 'vice of reason', whereas Chicago is just backpeddling in a veritable blur of motion - totally different scenarios.

(sigh)

 

[MissyQ]

(gag)

 

[PSPLane]

(spit)

 

[MissyQ]

(sucks teeth)