XFactor to the NXL?
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If you think I'm buying the aw shucks poor old country boy routine you may not be all that clever after all.PSPLane said:
As for the rest just wait till San Bernadino. You'll wish I'd posted it instead then.
Fine. I was being polite. But then you hadda go poking the fire ant hill and now being polite was just a strategy to take your 'Chicago is just slandering me!' ammunition away.MissyQ said:
The feature article section on the front page of the NPPL website, coupled with a nice large color picture with Kenny and the Miami Rage logo, reads:
A1 performance from Miami Rage
Boston was the venue for event #3 of the 2006 season and it witnessed Miami Rage blasting everything in their way to claim their very first NPPL S7 victory and their first majorwin since 1998. Rage were debuting the new Angel 1 from founder platinum sponsor WDP. This was the first time Rage had picked up the new marker and seemed to have no problems getting used to it.
Overcoming NPPL usual suspects XSV and Dynasty, Rage sealed their win with a hard fought final set of games against Naughty Dogs.
Joy Stockholm beat Chicago Evil into third place. This fantastic result coming only two weeks after Joy's THIRD Millenium success of the season.
Setting aside the marker endorsement issue for a second, why is the 2nd place team, Naughty Dogs, relegated to one mention at the end of a paragraph while placing 3rd apparently warrants a separate paragraph describing the 'fantastic finish', and we also get to hear about how the 3rd place team has been cleaning up in the competing European league on the NPPL website event wrapup? It would appear that promoting Joy trumped NPPL not promoting the competition.
Is the feature article ADVERTISEMENT space, or EVENT COVERAGE space?
If it is event coverage space, has a similar emphasis been placed on the equipment XSV used to achieve their wins, including having the name of their marker incorporated into the article title?
If it is advertisement space, is that kind of advertisement reserved for Platinum sponsors? If so, when does Kingman get their equipment covered there? Would Eclipse, as a mere GOLD sponsor, be surprised to learn that their team only gets their equipment mentioned if they are a Platinum sponsor? Would Eclipse wonder why, when their sponsorship was solicited, the option of having their equipment mentioned in event wrapups was not offerred to them? And if that kind of advertisement is not reserved for Platinum sponsors, why didn't Eclipse get similar consideration when XSV won?
If I were to be considering a NPPL sponsorship, would this cause me to be concerned that no level of sponsorship will put me on equal footing with 'founding platinum sponsor' WDP?
Now, again, I want to be clear that I don't think any of this is intentional. My guess is that the same person who writes the stuff that promotes the WDP teams also happens to write the event wrapup for NPPL website, was rightfully enthused about how their teams had done using their new product, and that enthusiasm spilled over into the coverage without the person doing the writing thinking about it.
While unintentional, the bias is still there and I am not just making it up. The source of the text is clearly supposed to be NPPL, and the text is located in an area of the website that appears to be for information, not advertisements, and the text comes off as an endorsement of a particular marker.
If someone feels they are observing bias in the event coverage, they are going to wonder where else bias exists that may not have been obvious to them before. So when personnel are so closely shared between the league and a particular company, EXTRA SPECIAL care must be made to squash even the slightest whiff of bias, and a good step might be to better define what is considered advertising space and what is considered informational space, and not have people who do WDP promotion also do NPPL coverage, or at least have a disinterested party read through it before you put it up.
Now, you can choose to just call me names and pretend no error was made, or you can choose to take some corrective action. I'm not going to be hurt either way, but I suspect one course of action will be more beneficial to your league than the other.
I just wanted to make sure you didn't mistake me making an extra effort at polite discourse for in any way back peddling from my assertion that WDP teams received undue, although likely unintentional, favoritism in the Boston event wrapup, and that this is another indication of your tendency to exhibit some bias where your sponsored teams are concerned.
Chicago, understand one thing. I don't want to have ANY polite discourse with you, at all. I simply would not be able to keep up my end of that bargain.
Your post simply reiterates what you have already said, and what I have already answered remains my answer. I think you are most likely pretty accurate in your assumptions, which for a change do not have the less-than-subtle insinuation of intentional foul-play. The NPPL is clearly WDP's chosen vehicle for promotion, and it is fair to say that they 'milk it' for as much as they can. WDP provide a lot of information on their products, and I would argue that if other companies were as vigilant in making sure they got the most from their NPPL sponsorship dollars then you would not have much to comment on. PGI would no-doubt vouch for the fact that WDP are extremely (sometimes annoyingly) vigilant when it comes to their marketing.
I think the working is fine to be honest. Rage did win, and were not expected to. ND are a team I was not surprised to see in the finals, as opposed to Joy, and I would further argue that a 3rd from Joy (their highest ever finish) is actually more surprising in the NPPL than a 2nd for ND. Fact is, Joy are on a roll, they have won the last 3 MS events and thats what was reported.
As for your question about whether platinum sponsors will ever get founding sponsor priveledges. That is just a title, every Platinum gets the same, and always has done.
That said, I see no real 'error' or any reason for 'correction'. What kind of correction do you feel should be made, and why? The play on words with A1 can't really bother you that much, surely. Pick up any tabloid and you will see people trying to create clever headlines.
I suppose the league should be pleased, in a way, that the only accusations of bias these days come from a guy in Chicago (with a reputation for being liberal with fact) who doesn't like the wording on the website. They used to say Dynasty was winning because of WDP until Dynasty moved sponsors and continued to win. One win from rage and here come the twats again. I would have thought they would have learned their lessons by now.
Your post simply reiterates what you have already said, and what I have already answered remains my answer. I think you are most likely pretty accurate in your assumptions, which for a change do not have the less-than-subtle insinuation of intentional foul-play. The NPPL is clearly WDP's chosen vehicle for promotion, and it is fair to say that they 'milk it' for as much as they can. WDP provide a lot of information on their products, and I would argue that if other companies were as vigilant in making sure they got the most from their NPPL sponsorship dollars then you would not have much to comment on. PGI would no-doubt vouch for the fact that WDP are extremely (sometimes annoyingly) vigilant when it comes to their marketing.
I think the working is fine to be honest. Rage did win, and were not expected to. ND are a team I was not surprised to see in the finals, as opposed to Joy, and I would further argue that a 3rd from Joy (their highest ever finish) is actually more surprising in the NPPL than a 2nd for ND. Fact is, Joy are on a roll, they have won the last 3 MS events and thats what was reported.
As for your question about whether platinum sponsors will ever get founding sponsor priveledges. That is just a title, every Platinum gets the same, and always has done.
That said, I see no real 'error' or any reason for 'correction'. What kind of correction do you feel should be made, and why? The play on words with A1 can't really bother you that much, surely. Pick up any tabloid and you will see people trying to create clever headlines.
I suppose the league should be pleased, in a way, that the only accusations of bias these days come from a guy in Chicago (with a reputation for being liberal with fact) who doesn't like the wording on the website. They used to say Dynasty was winning because of WDP until Dynasty moved sponsors and continued to win. One win from rage and here come the twats again. I would have thought they would have learned their lessons by now.
If you think the content on the site as-is is OK, there's really nothing you should change. Assuming that it is not, I would in the future put a bigger fence between who does the NPPL coverage and who does the WDP promotion, and I'd also preemptively offer some compensation to Eclipse in case they perceive any slight in their lack of equipment coverage when XSV won.
I don't necessarily think it's bad to promote the winning team's equipment in the event coverage, it's something that is cheap for the league that creates value for your teams. But you do need to be consistent about it if you're going to do it.
I don't necessarily think it's bad to promote the winning team's equipment in the event coverage, it's something that is cheap for the league that creates value for your teams. But you do need to be consistent about it if you're going to do it.
No matter how you cut it, the other sponsors do not have the opportunity to write the event coverage.
Surely one of the best teams on the planet winning an event wouldn't be unexpected.
Kingman def. gets ther share of publicity and i'm sure are not as disturbed by the article as you are in Boston they had 4 times as much vendor space as WDP... there branded field was the second field and the only other field other then the NPPL field where either the pros or semi-pros played... and im sure if BC won they would get simialar coverage... this isn't as deep of an issue as you seem to make it.... Also, who would you have as your top 10 teams in the world, I would have Rage in mine, yet prob. wouldnt pick them to win an event... Lots of very good paintball teams dont win events... the Ironmen would be im my list of 10 as well.. but they havent won an event this season... diddo for Dynasty... Rage has proven that they are one of the best teams on the planet this season by having 2 podium finishes..
My point with Kingman was exactly that - that the coverage appears to be based on who the sponsor is, not that the team won, and I think it's a mistake to mix the two in the 'informational' portion of the website. If you're going to give something out based on sponsorship, everyone at that sponsorship level should get it whether their teams win or not, and if you're going to give something out based on winning, everyone should get it whether they have 'league friendly' sponsors or not.
I would (obviously) put rage top-5 for 7-man. If you throw Europe and XBall in, I'd say borderline for top-10. I'd put Joy up on Rage as far as XBall goes.
I would (obviously) put rage top-5 for 7-man. If you throw Europe and XBall in, I'd say borderline for top-10. I'd put Joy up on Rage as far as XBall goes.
Bottom line is this Chi Town, I too think WDP (PP) or whatever have a skewed input into what comes outa the NPPL pipe and they do over-indulge in the self-promoting department which in the ideal world of 'fair play' isn't acceptable but.....you know the 'but' here mate.
Don't go looking to haul Missy's ass over no 'fair play' rack because that's just plain unreasonable....no other sphere of human indulgence will ever be completely fair .. it just don't happen especially in this nuthouse world of paintball.
I certainly over-indulged with Nexus in PGi, I am sure Gino may have his own best interests at heart in PB2X, Billy and Adam sure ain't gonna be bending over to do anybody else any promo favours in their televised league (that they paid for).
WDP (PP) invested huge sums in setting up and persevering with the NPPL and as such, just like PGi do on here, they call the shots and if they wanna be a little biased in how they present winners and losers, then in this real world mate, it's their prerogative and not one I would think, they would pass up.
And let's face it Chi Town, it's not as if they are indulging in bare-faced lies here, they are massaging the truth a little for their own ends which is hardly unique in Paintball, not by a long chalk.
PP never set themselves up as guardians of truth and fair play in Paintball, as long as the rules and procedures that govern the NPPL tournaments are rigorous and just, then I don't see any real problem here because sure as shlt mate, there are no absolute modes of behaviour here and to go looking for any is just plain hypocritical on anybody's part.
Don't go looking to haul Missy's ass over no 'fair play' rack because that's just plain unreasonable....no other sphere of human indulgence will ever be completely fair .. it just don't happen especially in this nuthouse world of paintball.
I certainly over-indulged with Nexus in PGi, I am sure Gino may have his own best interests at heart in PB2X, Billy and Adam sure ain't gonna be bending over to do anybody else any promo favours in their televised league (that they paid for).
WDP (PP) invested huge sums in setting up and persevering with the NPPL and as such, just like PGi do on here, they call the shots and if they wanna be a little biased in how they present winners and losers, then in this real world mate, it's their prerogative and not one I would think, they would pass up.
And let's face it Chi Town, it's not as if they are indulging in bare-faced lies here, they are massaging the truth a little for their own ends which is hardly unique in Paintball, not by a long chalk.
PP never set themselves up as guardians of truth and fair play in Paintball, as long as the rules and procedures that govern the NPPL tournaments are rigorous and just, then I don't see any real problem here because sure as shlt mate, there are no absolute modes of behaviour here and to go looking for any is just plain hypocritical on anybody's part.
Good post Pete.
Lane, you don't do yourself justice some times. You are the cleverest redneck I know . Don't ever let the people with long words and many syllables or extra 'u's beat you down.
I know what you are saying about it being hard to join in sometimes though, and that often you need to bite your tongue.
Lane, you don't do yourself justice some times. You are the cleverest redneck I know
. Don't ever let the people with long words and many syllables or extra 'u's beat you down.I know what you are saying about it being hard to join in sometimes though, and that often you need to bite your tongue.
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