XFactor to the NXL?
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Chicago, you are so full of sxxt.
1. Chicago Evil played some fantastic paintball in Boston, and if they can consistently play that well then they would easily slot into any league.
2. I'm not going to bother. You clearly were not in Boston. I don't know what you have against Rage, but I am sure if one of those boys came on here you would evaporate into a cloud of noxious gas, much like you did when Magued piped up. So lets just say I disagree with you about Rage. I give teams credit for their performances, not their reputations, especially when those reputations were earned 10 years ago. Get back in your time machine and go back to the late 90's. You might even be fashionable then (although I doubt it)
1. Chicago Evil played some fantastic paintball in Boston, and if they can consistently play that well then they would easily slot into any league.
2. I'm not going to bother. You clearly were not in Boston. I don't know what you have against Rage, but I am sure if one of those boys came on here you would evaporate into a cloud of noxious gas, much like you did when Magued piped up. So lets just say I disagree with you about Rage. I give teams credit for their performances, not their reputations, especially when those reputations were earned 10 years ago. Get back in your time machine and go back to the late 90's. You might even be fashionable then (although I doubt it)
Self-evdently not Mr K ....... self-evidently not !Nick Brockdorff said:Absolutely not Mr. Russel - have you never missed having sex appeal ?
Nick
You've switched to a different definition of the word, although even with the new definition you're still off. Baca used 'miss' as in 'fail to notice'. You can't fail to notice something that doesn't exist in the first place, thus my observation that implied that the failure wasn't in me missing something, the failure was Baca not actually providing anything to miss.Nick Brockdorff said:Actually, missing something, by default requires its absence.
If it was not absent, how would you be missing it ?
The mere fact that it does not exist, does not preclude missing it in any way
Nick Kierkegaard
But, even by the definition you're using, if you miss something now, it requires that you had it at some time in the past. If you say "I miss my Nexus Ego", you are also saying that you actually HAD a Nexus Ego, not that you just would like to have one.
Chicago said:
I am afraid it's an old habit of Nick's to avoid the ignominy of him actually having to yield to a higher intellect.
Basically, he shifts his position and hopes we haven't noticed thereby delaying the inevitable ....... but the people in the know have already seen the writing on the wall and it says, 'Nick, give it up mate, it's time to go or blow'.
Which is an interesting observation - because none of the teams in the top 4 at Boston consistently play that well, so I'm not quite sure how you think you can use that as an indication that those are some of the best teams on the planet. You're talking about 4 teams that had ONE previous finals appearance this year among them, in 4th. That says to me that they are NOT some of the best teams on the planet.MissyQ said:
Are you implying that Rage didn't cheat in Boston? Cause that's just laughably funny. (Not to single out Rage in this case, as I'd find it laughably funny were you to say any of the pro teams, in the finals at least, didn't cheat at least a little bit.)
I don't recall evaporating when Magued showed up? He said he could beat D1 PSP teams. I agree. If he had said he could beat NXL teams I would have said 'no way'. I don't think Joy is as good as Dynasty, XSV, the Russians, etc, but there's probably room in the top 16 for them. There's probably room in the top 16 for Rage too, depending how the reffing affects them that weekend.
I think you ignore a team's entire history in favor of only looking at their most recent performance when you sponsor them and doing so suits your publicity purposes, like their best performance ever happening to coincide with using your newest product release. You also didn't have any qualms labelling XSV one of the dirtiest teams in paintball apparently based on a particular situation where XSV was able to flaunt the rules to an advantage over Rage.
I can't help but notice the front-page Boston event coverage on the NPPL site heavily highlights the WDP-sponsored team, their platinum sponsor, and their platinum sponsor's new marker. Now, I don't religiously read the NPPL website, so maybe I'm off base here, but has there been similar detailed coverage of XSV's markers after each of the events they won this year?
The cynic might question why a team whose performance has been inconsistent at best (a 4th and a 12th place finish), at the event where they pick up the newest product from their sponsor who just happens to also run the league they are playing in, find themselves in the finals while the two powerhouse teams that have been consistently placing 1-2 both somehow manage to not get out of separate prelim brackets.
Not that I believe that, but it certainly doesn't help perception when the league then seems to go out of its way to highlight what guns the first place team was using when they havn't done that before.
Rage was just barely a Pro team before this year. They're better this year, but to consider them one of the best teams on the planet is going to take a little more than winning an event where two of the best teams on the planet miss the cut and finishing 4th and 12th in the two other events of the season.
One other thing, you're quick to say that teams that there are NXL teams that play poorly in NPPL events - are these even the same teams? I realize the team names are the same, but how many of the players are the same? If you're going to make that comparison we should at least check that the rosters are consistent.
Whenever XSV won there was a write up about them, one thing to remember is WDP is a Platinum Sponsor and Eclipse is not, also having witnessed Rage's victory I have to say that it was well deserved and they were certainly the Best team this weekend, also seing as how they also have a 4th this year I would def. say that they are one of the top teams in the league... 2 podiums in 3 events???? Only XSV and Dynasty have done the same this season......
So the fact that Rage and Joy are placed 3rd and 6th respectively in tha NPPL does not qualify them as being some of the best on tha Planet? What does? And if those standings don't also show a consistency of play over tha season so far, again, I am unsure what else possibly could.Chicago said:
And as for not being better than tha NXL teams, well, they are miles ahead of Philly and the Ironmen at present.
If you're going to argue that top 4 placing in both leagues is the only way to be one of the best team son the planet, then I think only XSV meets your criteria.
It depends on what you mean by 'the best' - how many 'the best' teams are there? The only thing I was trying to point out is that Missy's argument that some of 'the best' teams are not in the NXL because they don't do well in NPPL isn't valid - the same holds true about NPPL teams that don't do well in the NXL.TJ Lambini said:
There is no doubt that there are teams at the bottom of the NXL that would get killed by most of the NPPL teams, but there are also teams at the bottom of NPPL that would get killed by most of the NXL teams, so I'm not sure what exactly that illustrates. The same goes for teams at the top of NXL that are in the middle of the pack in NPPL - there are teams at the top of NPPL that are middle of the pack in NXL, or just don't play at all.
I do have to admit, however, to lacking some information: I don't know exactly who is playing on the NPPL teams. So it may be that teams are doing 'worse' in the other league just because they're not playing everyone.
Don't disagree on Rage having a good event. I do think it's bad form for the league to provide equipment promotion to some teams and not to other teams. If you win, the league should provide you the same treatment they provide to every other team that wins, regardless of who your sponsor is.PPPGeoff said:
Missy does seem to portray identical behaviors differently depending on who is doing them. If XSV cheats, it's because XSV is the dirtiest team on the planet. But if Rage cheats, it didn't happen. (The truth is, pushing the referee's willingness to pull and penalize you appropriately is a strategy that works and one that both Rage and XSV (and seemingly most anybody else who plays at the Pro level) uses to it's fullest benefit.)