X-ball Versus 7man

[Q Tsunami]

Strongle,

i am trying to promote a discussion about how we can make 7man evolve, or if as you say, it is dead let it die gracefully.

i play 7man at the moment, i would like to play some Xball and make my own decision.

but all you have done is slag off 7man, and then tell us in the next breath that we will never be able to play Xball because it's too involved.

you say that "...people kidding themselves they are playing a sport are what's holding development of paintball back from gaining wider acceptance."

so how do you suggest us ballers go forward, make some suggestions instead of bashing down the game that we play because we can't get into Xball because it's too complicated.

 

[Niceboy]

Dictionary Definition Time!!

1. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively.
2. A particular form of this activity.
3. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively.
4. An active pastime; recreation.

I do play a sport, thank goodness for that. I was begining to think even though i don't play in the woods with my splatmaster anymore i was still a weekend warrior.

 

[noop]

Professionally, 7-man must evolve, and I believe this is what the NPPL has been planning with their exclusive league for some time.

X-Ball is certainly a step forward, but it should not be expected to continue without change. At its very heart is what teams were doing at practice for years; playing 5-man games till they ran out of time. Someone just gave it a name and had the money to promote it.

Numbers are irrelevant. The more players, the more teamwork, and the more difficult it is for spectators to find a focal point.

 

[stongle]

Originally posted by Q, Tsunami
Strongle,

i am trying to promote a discussion about how we can make 7man evolve, or if as you say, it is dead let it die gracefully.

i play 7man at the moment, i would like to play some Xball and make my own decision.

but all you have done is slag off 7man, and then tell us in the next breath that we will never be able to play Xball because it's too involved.

you say that "...people kidding themselves they are playing a sport are what's holding development of paintball back from gaining wider acceptance."

so how do you suggest us ballers go forward, make some suggestions instead of bashing down the game that we play because we can't get into Xball because it's too complicated.

On page 1 I suggested teams should try 3 Man X Ball, and tried to explain why it would be a better idea , since it allows teams to stay within their existing 7 / 8 man squads.

I've not said don't try X ball at all, I've never said it's complicated. I've tried to explain that giving people an X ball field and expecting them to play traincrash paintball, and 30 secs points is not possible. That's all.

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Originally posted by stongle
Even with shouting, 90+% of UK ball is boring and unexciting to watch. You think by allowing us to yell "YOU SUCK" from the sidelines is going to make the format more consumer / public friendly???

With shouting from the sidelines it
a: Gets people involved
b: will change the way the games are played.

Actually, thinking about it, it may make the games slower/more boring. Currently someone makes an unseen move to a killer bunker, and caps half the other team - wahey. With shouting the other team knows they are there, and can sort things out so as to not get the cack shot out of them. Of course on the flip side mis-information is going to help to distract people and perhaps speed things up.

I don't think that it's worth dismissing out of hand with a "if it were that simple it would have been tried already" as the recent advent of sideline shouting in X-Ball is the first time we have had it. I'm not an all-seeing/all-knowing one like TFP are, but I'm not aware that standard 7-man has been played with allowed sideline shouting/coaching/interference.

The no sideline speaky rule was implemented way back when exactly, when there was no such thing as an audience, stadia, inflatables, semi's, and the modern game. It was brought in when some sneaky git with a 10 round stick feed and a 12gram was crawling through a bush, ready to pop up behind the other team.

Will any tourney organiser have the balls to drop this antiquated rule, and see if it aids the progression of the sport/game/hobby/sunday-afternoon-piss-around*?

*delete as applicable

 

[Iron Lions - Ed]

I agree someone should trial spectators being able to coach. The amount of times you've watched someone thinking about making a run and chickening out because they aren't sure where the opposition is looking. Spectators can only encourage run throughs and I think this will more than balance out any advantage from help with lanes to watch causing slower games.

Perhaps deduct 5 points for every minute over 4 minutes the game lasts to encourage faster play as well. At the end of the day when scores are tight should make for some aggresive play as teams need those extra points.

Not saying these will neccasaril work, just we won't know until we try.

 

[gaff]

please do not think this is an elitist comment but.......

all you guys that think 7man can be 'spiced up' are in my opinion disillusioned.

just allowing sideline participation will not speed up games, because it is a mindset diffence between XBall style play and traditional UK 7man play! and this is the fundamental difference with, in my opinion the future of competetive paintball, and boring 7man. also the fitness levels of ballers needs to be improved by (in some cases) 1000% cos there aint no way some of our (meat and potato eatin) ballers are gonna bust moves to a corner temple in an XBall style game, let alone run the full length of the field maintaining 14bps and hitting 3 players acurately whilst doin it!

XBall or a very similiar format is the future, the 2 less players than 7man allow a non-baller the opportunity to keep track of the game, but it also allows more risky movements on the field. the best phrase i have heard in XBall this season is "risk is rewarded in Xball, the more the risk, the greater the reward!"

and to finish- the XBall tournament does not cost anymore to play than 7man, its the training that costs more, but if we (all of us!) were training correctly for 7man then i am sure the cost of training in both formats would balance out.

everything Glen has said in this thread is 100% correct (god i hate saying that!)

if you have not played the game yet, get a go! it will change you mind on how and what we should be playing i guarantee it!

 

[Mario]

elitest!!


sorry im bored....

 

[stongle]

Originally posted by gaff
please do not think this is an elitist comment but.......

all you guys that think 7man can be 'spiced up' are in my opinion disillusioned.

just allowing sideline participation will not speed up games, because it is a mindset diffence between XBall style play and traditional UK 7man play! and this is the fundamental difference with, in my opinion the future of competetive paintball, and boring 7man. also the fitness levels of ballers needs to be improved by (in some cases) 1000% cos there aint no way some of our (meat and potato eatin) ballers are gonna bust moves to a corner temple in an XBall style game, let alone run the full length of the field maintaining 14bps and hitting 3 players acurately whilst doin it!

XBall or a very similiar format is the future, the 2 less players than 7man allow a non-baller the opportunity to keep track of the game, but it also allows more risky movements on the field. the best phrase i have heard in XBall this season is "risk is rewarded in Xball, the more the risk, the greater the reward!"

and to finish- the XBall tournament does not cost anymore to play than 7man, its the training that costs more, but if we (all of us!) were training correctly for 7man then i am sure the cost of training in both formats would balance out.

everything Glen has said in this thread is 100% correct (god i hate saying that!)

if you have not played the game yet, get a go! it will change you mind on how and what we should be playing i guarantee it!

Word.

To illustrate a point of the mindset required:

Powertrip Vs Jags at CC, gaff hits player in snake, Snake player loses hit, whilst marshals still checking aforementioned player, gaff just runs him down and blasts him in the face. Nice move, looked awesome.

How many 7 man games can you imagine that happening, most just leave it up to the judges to sort out, and then bitch and moan about it on here.

Anyway, not once has any said don't give it a go, we've just cautioned you on your expectations.

sheesh.

 

[Iron Lions - Ed]

Well if it's just the mindset holding back play in 7man surely it just needs a few teams to show us how it's done and forcing everyone to adapt to a new style of play.