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X-Ball..........The Future ?

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
Tyger, dude, lighten up

Originally posted by Tyger


1 : The fact that Bob long bitched while accepting his 1st place trophy that he couldn't keep his team for next year tells me that I'm right. It's one hting to bitchwhen you LOSE, but hwen you WIN!?!?!? Also, I never said that it shuldn't have a connection, just that we have been turned into spectators.

3 : Yes, it is, but I don't expect you to see it.

4 : Oh, it made a diffrence. Dont' kid yourself.

5 : Let's also see where "Slam Ball" goes for TNN, eh?

And, in fact, I would have liked an audience for when I bunkered the guy from Team Juviniles.

-Tyger
If you're suggesting that because you can pay for an entry and play the same event the "pros" play now that you're playin' the same game they are--who is kidding who?
Slam Ball is bitchin,' ain't it? Why there are millions of kids burying their trampolines in their back yards even as we speak.:rolleyes:
Pickin' on a bunch of kids. Tsk, tsk. (Is it such a rare occurrence you required an audience and photographic proof?):D
 

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I still think p'ball needs a long-game format, which x-ball has managed to bring to the forefront of everyone's attention.

I've yet to see any footage, but I can already imagine watching play after play of wicked moves from the same great team over 60 minutes, rather than one quick move at the end of a 10 minute game, and then thinking "hmm..let's go over there and watch the next [insert name] game...they're supposed to be quite good...."

Admit it, you'd all *love* to be a part of it, but most of us don't stand a chance. But don't fret, X-ball will take a LONNNG time to make it in the mainstream, so the normal 5/7-man 10 minute format is safe for a while yet.

In the meantime I'm gonna concentrate on getting my case together for being able to play a game every weekend and getting my general levls of fitness up.

that sux ass.

Dunc.
 

Tyger

Old School, New Tricks
I'm afraid I can't do that, Baca

Originally posted by Baca Loco

1) If you're suggesting that because you can pay for an entry and play the same event the "pros" play now that you're playin' the same game they are--who is kidding who?

2) Slam Ball is bitchin,' ain't it? Why there are millions of kids burying their trampolines in their back yards even as we speak.:rolleyes:

3) Pickin' on a bunch of kids. Tsk, tsk. (Is it such a rare occurrence you required an audience and photographic proof?):D
1 : I'm saying that I paid my entry fee, and I feell like i was treated as secnd class becasu I wasn't an X-baller. I seriously feel that this wasn't the Diablo IAO, it was "X-Ball, featuring some tournament on the side."

Also, dont' change the subject, it's rude and pisses me off.

2 : :rolleyes: :confused: :eek:

3 : Hardly described the age of the players, but arguably their mentality. I've never heard anyone in my life bitch... THEN bitch... then bitch... then bitch....

And, at the risk of sounding like the Miestro (TJ Zamboni), There's more going on than you know about Baca. That's all I'll say on that.

-Tyger

Edited before a mod had to do it.
 

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
PEOPLE !

Originally posted by Nick Iuel-Brockdorff
Read Goose's ideas - they will change paintball dramatically, without all the bother that goes along with X-Ball !

Nick
"All the bother" is kinda the point of X-Ball, don't you think, Nick?
Anyway, as to changes Goose mentions, I see a couple of problems:
1. Clock. Good idea. Among other things it creates automatic tension for spectators as time winds down and everyone knows something is gonna happen.
2. All or nothing scoring doesn't do it for me. I rather like enough scoring complexity to allow for more strategy. (In fact, I think they ought to re-think the X-Ball scoring a bit for same reason.)
3. If you have mutiple fields in play some will by virtue of their design potentially play faster than others and if speed of success is the only goal how are teams going to react to having to play their critical game on the "slow" field when their competition has a better draw?
Also think Sweden fairly demonstrated that field design alone can speed up the game and if it becomes the norm then teams will adjust to remain or become competitive.
 

Baca Loco

Ex-Fun Police
I'm afraid I can't do that, Baca

Originally posted by Tyger


1 : I'm saying that I paid my entry fee, and I feell like i was treated as secnd class becasu I wasn't an X-baller. I seriously feel that this wasn't the Diablo IAO, it was "X-Ball, featuring some tournament on the side."

Also, dont' change the subject, it's rude and pisses me off.

2 : :rolleyes: :confused: :eek:

3 : Hardly described the age of the players, but arguably their mentality. I've never heard anyone in my life bitch... THEN bitch... then bitch... then bitch....

And, at the risk of sounding like the Miestro (TJ Zamboni), There's more going on than you know about Baca. That's all I'll say on that.

-Tyger

Edited before a mod had to do it.
1--Tyg, y'all scored 24 points in the whole prelim. You were a second class citizen. Get over it. (I paid and played to without any expectation that just cus I was present it somehow demanded other people's attention.)
The original subject was about ballers being turned into spectators and my point was and remains X-Ball will do no such thing. Further I was implying that not all ballers are equal regardless of the shared venue where they may both be playing.
2--I was suggesting there is a subtle difference between creating a game out of whole cloth--Slam Ball--and force feeding it down an audience's collective throat and the evolution of a growing, pre-exisitng game played by lots of peeps.
3--re-read your own number 3.:D
I was all over this when everybody was going, "X-Ball, huh?" Ask Robo. (Nobody slips a conspiracy by me. ;) )
 

Micah

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Re: I'm afraid I can't do that, Baca

Originally posted by Baca Loco


1--Tyg, y'all scored 24 points in the whole prelim. You were a second class citizen. Get over it.
I scored more points by my self in the 5 man then w edid as a team in 7 ... just thought I'd throw that out there ...:) :( :eek: :D ;) :p :rolleyes: :mad: :eek: :confused:

-Micah
 

Buddha 3

Hamfist McPunchalot
I'm still doubtfull whether things like x-ball will bring greater audiences, and more tv.
No matter how much you change the way the game is played, there is still no center of focus. There is action all over the field, making it hard for the non initiated to know where to look.
All the extra attention by changing formats will, I fear, only be marginal.
Let's for argument's sake accept that we are heaped along with the extreme sports. Just like most of those sports, our audience is predominantly made up of people who are into it themselves. Even with something as widely accepted as skateboarding, most of the people that come to watch the pros do their thing, are skateboarders. Joe Avarage might come along (just as long as it's free and 'along the way'), but after 5 minutes he'll think "yeah, nice tricks, but nobody fell and died yet", and he'll be off.
But I don't care. As long as I enjoy what I'm doing, I don't give a rat's whether it gets shown on tv or not.

Long live paintball, be it in x-ball format or the more traditional.
 

Tyger

Old School, New Tricks
OK you primitive screw head, LISTEN UP

Originally posted by Baca Loco

Tyg, y'all scored 24 points in the whole prelim. You were a second class citizen. Get over it.

The original subject was about ballers being turned into spectators and my point was and remains X-Ball will do no such thing. Further I was implying that not all ballers are equal regardless of the shared venue where they may both be playing.
Now you're trying to piss me off, aren't you? Congrats, you've managed to do that.

Ok, so my status is dependant on scoring points, huh? Ok, I'll remember that. So the money spent on entry fee does not entitle me to jack ****, huh? Ok, cool. As long as I know the rules of engagement, I won't bitch about it.

The ORIGINAL subject, before you started losing and turned this into a personal attack on the meowman, is still valid. Let's look at a few X-ball facts.

FACT : Everyone on the US Squad has a DIRECT line of influence with NATIONAL PAINTBALL. Want proof? I'll supply it.

FACT : National bought out Diablo (They say it's a lawsuit, but come on, that is so hokey even I saw through it)

FACT : NPS announced it's takeover SHORTLY after Richmond Italia announcd "X-ball".

FACT : X-ball was announced shortly before PSP / NPPL started to fight. Chuck Hendish works for National West, and is also the NPPL prez. Jerry Braun was BARELY at the X-Ball event, he's the guy behind PSP.

Look, you want more? I'll give it up. But the facts point to one thing. The "Old Boys Network" is changing, and becoming an exclusive club. And you can't get INTO that club unless you "kiss the ring". They stole the format from the USPL, blatatly, and nobody will step up to stop them becasue of a fear of retaliation.

So unless you're in with the established network, you're locked out of the "Format". And as most people are locked out, guess what? You can join the rest of us on the bleachers once you get knocked off your high horse Baca. I'll save you a cushon if you'd like. Based on what I've seen at IAO, If they have their way then they'll field the same team next year. It just shows me that they're locking out EVERYONE, making all the "outsiders" spectators.

Do I think I could play X-ball with the big boys? To sound concieted, yes. Given a little time to practtice with them, and if I really took it seriously, I'm there. Hell, if someone buys the paint I'll go to town and rip it up like you wouldn't believe. My reality is that I like playing pump, and I'm playing week to week on a TIGHT budget out of necessity. But I also know that I can do it.

I'm also the only person on this entire forum, with perhaps 3 exceptions, that has PLAYED the format before. I know my ****. I played 6 full games of the style, with a few other hard-core rules involved. I know what it takes to play it, and I know what kind of player it needs. I also know, from a players perspective, what it COSTS. There's something to be said about practical application.

Finally, if I'm paying money, MY MONEY, to play paintball at an event, I deserve, no, DEMAND the equal treatment of myself and MY TEAM as anyone else at the event. If that isn't met, then I demand restitution for services not rendered. If you're willing to be treated like **** after spending your money then you have that right. I'm not willing to settle being treated as such.

Just becasue I'm not Bob Long doesn't mean that I shuld be treated like ****.

-Tyger

PS : I expect this to be deleted around 3 AM my time, which is when the PGI folks should be rolling into the forum. So the few people who get a look at it should be entertained.
 
Hey Tyger....

... you do bring up some valid points, and I can more than understand where you are coming from - but....

1) Try and find a top team that doesn't have a connection somehow to the Richmond Italia mafia (kidding Rich) :) :). It's not because he is the Microsoft of paintball, it's just because he has busted his butt marketing/sponsorship wise. All props to someone who has worked as hard for the game (and himself) without killing anyone - that we know of.

2) Whether the "old boys network" is changing or not - well I'm not one to make judgement on that - but if can be so easily changed then maybe there was something wrong with it in the first place. If a new "ruling class" comes along with newer ideas on how to get this silly sport recognized, more power to them (notice I said newer - I don't want to get into this whole USPL/stolen thing - I believe you).

3) This quote from the paintball.com interview with Richmond seems to lend creedence to a lot of what you said...

So, where is X Ball going to take paintball? “It’s going to go towards a league,” Italia elucidated. In 2003 there will be eight league teams scattered throughout the United States, cities yet to be determined. “The TV stations will dictate to us what cities will be represented,” Italia furthered. The specific television representatives have yet to be released. The X Ball league will be played alongside the PSP events, but teams can’t play both. A choice has to be made by the players picked to represent each league franchise. The teams have already been spoken for by eight major players in the paintball industry and there is already an outside sponsor for one of the teams, but Italia wouldn’t give more specifics than that. This nameless outside sponsor has voiced that he has a budget to pay the players, bringing the pro players to a whole new level. “The ultimate goal is to pay the players,” Italia expressed.
Notice how he said that players can't play PSP events - he didn't say NPPL - with the current state between the promoters(PSP) and the union(NPPL), who knows what he has in mind. It's all beginning to sound a little like the baseball situation to me.

4) Lastly...
Finally, if I'm paying money, MY MONEY, to play paintball at an event, I deserve, no, DEMAND the equal treatment of myself and MY TEAM as anyone else at the event. If that isn't met, then I demand restitution for services not rendered. If you're willing to be treated like **** after spending your money then you have that right. I'm not willing to settle being treated as such.

Just becasue I'm not Bob Long doesn't mean that I shuld be treated like ****.
Where you treated any differently than the other paying teams? Richmond & his group where hired to do the IAO. If they did a better job than last year (and from everything I have read - they did) then their job was done properly. If they chose to put on a spectator oriented "show" then I feel they are more than within their rights. As long as you where treated equally in respect to the others (all the non-xball players) I don't see a problem. I guess what you can compare it to is, when during many 3-on-3 Street Ball tournaments the organizers decide to have either, pro all-star games or a slam dunk contest or whatever. Do the "other" player feel dissapointed - I doubt it, they go and watch the show.

Now you might feel that you could play for the X-Ball team (I have never seen you play but I respect your own judgement of your skills), and you just lacked the "juice" to get on it. Fair enough, but you have never shown too much interest in the tournament scene - after all it isn't for everyone, maybe this now gives you something to work for and prove to the rest of us that Tyger can play more then golf - oops wrong Tyger.

goose
 
JESUS H CHRIST SOMEONE DELETE THAT POST NOW.



I'M SICK OF THAT GOOSE FELLA SPOUTING OFF...

:p

Your post is going nowehere El Tigre...we like conspiracy theories. And just cos you're paranoid don't mean they ain't out to get ya.

The real truth about what's going on is...