WORLD CUP news! Avalanche caught cheating!
- Thread starter Tyger
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Ok, let's say it's possible. Again, let's say it's possible that Salm worked alone in this.
What does he gain? If he was as hated, as chloe said he was, then he might get some revenge. However, in all the reports I've seen, nobody has mentioned a motive to suggest revenge. Nobody has said "Oh, well Salm was going to be off the team anyway." So there's no trail of evidence to show this.
What we DO have is an act. Salm was caught shooting GZ Players from behind, and he violently fought back when he was chased down. That's what we have to work with. However, we also have the surrounding tournament to work with here.
We know that Salm was left at the hotel being 'too sick to play' (According the the warpig report). We also know that he appeared on the "NPS" field, in the woods, dressed in black, shooting GZ players in the back from the woodline. If he was acting alone, he would have to have stealthfully made it back to the field without being seen, made it around the airball netting, wandered throught the woods JUST in time to set up, on the correct side of the field, to do the deed?
Look, there's a lot of variables here that a single person working laone wold have to be lucky to have go their way. Getting to the field in time. Setting up on the correct side. Getting the same color paint as the team is using that game (which isn't hard, I'll admit that one.) Picking off the right players to allow your team to do their thing and make it look natural.
Now if he wanted to get caught, he did the right thing there too by not wearing a cap to cover his hair. I personally believe that it was set up in advance, with at least 2-3 others on the team knowing what was happening. You can't organize it without someone else knowing.
We thought about this at Skyball, because the fields are set up in such a way that someone can do something like this. A team can get a room with a window facing into the fields, sit one person up there, and pick off players from above. Is it likely? Well, after this I think it might be. But if someone did this, then it wold almost be imposible foe someoen else not to know about it. "Where's Joe?" "Oh, he's back at the room, he wasn't feeling well." Someone will know.
Sorry, too many variables, too many things that need to be organised or thought of ahead of time. It's hard to believe that it was the 'lone gunman' theory. Was it an "X-ball" ploy? Was it a final "Goodbye"? Was it a tweatking of the NPPL's nose? THAT I don't know. That I won't speculate, yet. But, humans are humans, and I doubt this was a solo job.
-Tyger
The theme park incident as it was told to me by several reliable sources was that Salm went out and got piss drunk at or near a theme park and decided to get in a fight with one of the characters there...who happened to be wearing a hard plastic Lego suit. Rather stupidly, he punched the guy on his hard plastic Lego hat, which I guess he didn't figure would break his hand and make him even more obvious to the cops, who likely hauled him off for public intox, fighting, and whatever else they'd want to charge him on.
Tyger, it wouldn't have been that hard. Who says he had to totally think things out, or that he hadn't been simply waiting in the woods, watched them walk onto the field, and adjusted? Heck, he could have just listened to the loudspeaker for that matter! As for timing it right, he's been to enough NPPL's over the years to know how long things would take, almost to the second. The only things I think he planned was what game to do it and how he could make it look the worst to hurt Avalanche the most. What exactly made him want to hurt Avalanche, Ed, and his teammates like this we don't know yet, but he must have wanted to do it pretty strongly or he wouldn't have gone to this much trouble and expense to himself. To inflict this much harm on himself must have taken a HUGE motive. I don't think any of the others could have any kind of motive strong enough for them to know about or certainly not assist it. Or maybe he was just totally out of his mind beyond all comprehension...
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I don't get it Tyger...
What's so hard about putting on black clothes, grabbing a paintball gun, and sitting in the woods for a while waiting to shoot someone?
It's called recball. Thousands of people do it every weekend. Most just don't have a whole tournament field of unsuspecting targets.
- Chris
What's so hard about putting on black clothes, grabbing a paintball gun, and sitting in the woods for a while waiting to shoot someone?
It's called recball. Thousands of people do it every weekend. Most just don't have a whole tournament field of unsuspecting targets.
- Chris
I don't get it Tyger...
-Tyger
Ahh, but rec-ballers PLAN theri outings, don't they? And that's the entire point of my argument. It was PLANNED, and I think the evidence points to that. If you go to, say, Stalker to play paintball, someoene knows your'e there, right? Same deal here. I believe that the evidence points to a planned event, not a 'random act'.
-Tyger
And that's what I don't really get in all this. Ther eneeds to be motive. Psychopaths even have a motive, even if that motive is becasue a demon is telling htem to do things.
If he wanted to hurt Avalanche, or individal players, then he would have attacked THEM, and not taken the time to plan a paintball related thing. Again, it all seems to convinent that all this evidence on how unstable Salm is come out now. If he was really that much a liability, then why keep him for so long?
I'm desperately trying not to go into the realm of "Friend of a Friend" (FOAF) information here, just sticking to what's been reported and confirmed, and basing my conclusions on that information. I've heard a lot of things about what Avalanche is doing, what hte rumors are, what he conspiracys are (And you should all be thankful I don't buy them all...) and the most plausable thing I can figure out is that it was planned, it went wrong, and in an effort to do damage control Avalanche is churning out the mud on Salm , and denying everything they can.
It's just all too convinent, IMHO.
-Tyg
If Avalanche was kicking so much ass why would they plan something as stupid as this? Why would they put Ed in such a situation? Avalanche is one of the most heavily sponsored teams in the friggin' world, why would you jeapoardize EVERYTHING?
And as already mentioned, how many people do you see walking around an NPPL event with a gun in his hands? It's not an odd sight. Plus, it was the damn WORLD CUP! There were people all over the place, it isn't hard to go unnoticed at any event, let alone the 'Cup.
It was a terribly stupid act, and I can't imagine any of Salm's 'mates backing him, it's insane. This wasn't just some small-time tourney, this was as big as you get, not to mention how high-profile these people are. If it would've been me, no one would've known who the heck I was, but it was Jeremy-friggin'-Salm! He HAS been around for a while, and he has been a respected player, but that was more on the field than off.
Who knows what Salm was thinking, but I assure you, these guys wouldn't have gone for it had they known, and I find it ludicrous to think so. There's far too much on the line for such an idiotic prank.
And as already mentioned, how many people do you see walking around an NPPL event with a gun in his hands? It's not an odd sight. Plus, it was the damn WORLD CUP! There were people all over the place, it isn't hard to go unnoticed at any event, let alone the 'Cup.
It was a terribly stupid act, and I can't imagine any of Salm's 'mates backing him, it's insane. This wasn't just some small-time tourney, this was as big as you get, not to mention how high-profile these people are. If it would've been me, no one would've known who the heck I was, but it was Jeremy-friggin'-Salm! He HAS been around for a while, and he has been a respected player, but that was more on the field than off.
Who knows what Salm was thinking, but I assure you, these guys wouldn't have gone for it had they known, and I find it ludicrous to think so. There's far too much on the line for such an idiotic prank.
Bailing out?
Bailing out? Immediately after the incident, Salm ran into their tent and said he had to go and that he was caught. He literally left his teamates baffled and confused as to what was going on. Salm left the field and we can assume went straight to the hotel room to pack and catch the first flight back to Nebraska. The rest of the team hasn't seen or heard from him since. As far as the rest of 'Lanche "bailing out" as you've called it , they've done nothing of the sort. They went to the fields that following Saturday to watch the rest of the games and even went to watch some of X-ball on Sunday. They didn't even come home until later this afternoon. You commented that Salm's mentality and issues are just now coming out so 'Lanche could have someone to blame. This information is not just coming out. Almost everyone in the paintball organization and pro-teams already knew of this. It's just new to the people at home that don't have anything to do with the NPPL or that don't know anyone who plays pro. These guys are being bombarded with quesions and comments from EVERYONE. They are absolutely NOT trying to use salm as a scapegoat. These guy's have worked so hard and now they have to rethink their paintball careers. The name Avalanche is dead but the players are not. It's too bad that they're the ones feeling the burden and backlash of salm's thoughtless actions. Some of them even ran into Peety of GZ, the actual guy who caught Salm the other day. He told them not to worry, "I know you guys had nothing to do with it, I'm not mad at you." All I can do is offer truth and fact. It's incredibly difficult to try and do this when all that is being done is fingerpointing and accusations from people who have nothing to base their opinions on. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just thought it important to inform everyone of the truth before they believe lies and accusations.
Bailing out? Immediately after the incident, Salm ran into their tent and said he had to go and that he was caught. He literally left his teamates baffled and confused as to what was going on. Salm left the field and we can assume went straight to the hotel room to pack and catch the first flight back to Nebraska. The rest of the team hasn't seen or heard from him since. As far as the rest of 'Lanche "bailing out" as you've called it , they've done nothing of the sort. They went to the fields that following Saturday to watch the rest of the games and even went to watch some of X-ball on Sunday. They didn't even come home until later this afternoon. You commented that Salm's mentality and issues are just now coming out so 'Lanche could have someone to blame. This information is not just coming out. Almost everyone in the paintball organization and pro-teams already knew of this. It's just new to the people at home that don't have anything to do with the NPPL or that don't know anyone who plays pro. These guys are being bombarded with quesions and comments from EVERYONE. They are absolutely NOT trying to use salm as a scapegoat. These guy's have worked so hard and now they have to rethink their paintball careers. The name Avalanche is dead but the players are not. It's too bad that they're the ones feeling the burden and backlash of salm's thoughtless actions. Some of them even ran into Peety of GZ, the actual guy who caught Salm the other day. He told them not to worry, "I know you guys had nothing to do with it, I'm not mad at you." All I can do is offer truth and fact. It's incredibly difficult to try and do this when all that is being done is fingerpointing and accusations from people who have nothing to base their opinions on. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just thought it important to inform everyone of the truth before they believe lies and accusations.
Ok Chloe, I'll accept that for teh sake of argument, BUT...
...it doesn't answer a fundamental question of motive. Ok, let's accept the prinsiple that Salm is a fruit loop, as I'm getting the impression that everyone wants me to have here. What did he hope to gain by doing this? I don't accept the concept that Salm was just doing something out of spite, becasue that would have to be one hell of a spiteful act. Even the most insane have some kind of a motive for what they're doing. If this was a revenge plot, then what happened that Salm would want to take revenge on his teammates in such a manner that he would do this.
So far, nobody has commented about what Salm had to say for himself. And nobody has commented on GZ's take on all this. I've already read the paintball.com review of this situation, (Which, if I recall correctly, is run by Greg "REDZ" Hastings and crew...) which is slanted heavily. But I've heard reports (FOAF info, not backed up by facts) of Salm getting beat down by GZ, which would also account for his reaction if the reports are true. (I doubt it, but the accusations are out there of a royal beatdown)
There's also one other problem with what Chloe says. Warpig said that Salm was dragged to the ultimates with other Av. players. So they knew what was going on, at least according to Warpig. PLUS, Salm was allegedly left at the hotel, too sick to play. So 'Lanche shuld have been surprised to see him AT ALL near the field of play, let alone coming off the field.
I can understand your defending Avalanche. They're a good team, they're sponsored, and they obviously have friends all over the industry. Cool. I hope that the innocent can rise above the accusations and be a beacon of inspiration. However, You can not convince me that Salm acted alone, and that the entire team had no clue what was going on. Sorry, no, I'm not buying it. Someone helped him pull it off for some reason. I'm not buying the 'lone gunman' theory. Ain't happening. The rest is just too convinent to be easily believed.
-Tyger
...it doesn't answer a fundamental question of motive. Ok, let's accept the prinsiple that Salm is a fruit loop, as I'm getting the impression that everyone wants me to have here. What did he hope to gain by doing this? I don't accept the concept that Salm was just doing something out of spite, becasue that would have to be one hell of a spiteful act. Even the most insane have some kind of a motive for what they're doing. If this was a revenge plot, then what happened that Salm would want to take revenge on his teammates in such a manner that he would do this.
So far, nobody has commented about what Salm had to say for himself. And nobody has commented on GZ's take on all this. I've already read the paintball.com review of this situation, (Which, if I recall correctly, is run by Greg "REDZ" Hastings and crew...) which is slanted heavily. But I've heard reports (FOAF info, not backed up by facts) of Salm getting beat down by GZ, which would also account for his reaction if the reports are true. (I doubt it, but the accusations are out there of a royal beatdown)
There's also one other problem with what Chloe says. Warpig said that Salm was dragged to the ultimates with other Av. players. So they knew what was going on, at least according to Warpig. PLUS, Salm was allegedly left at the hotel, too sick to play. So 'Lanche shuld have been surprised to see him AT ALL near the field of play, let alone coming off the field.
I can understand your defending Avalanche. They're a good team, they're sponsored, and they obviously have friends all over the industry. Cool. I hope that the innocent can rise above the accusations and be a beacon of inspiration. However, You can not convince me that Salm acted alone, and that the entire team had no clue what was going on. Sorry, no, I'm not buying it. Someone helped him pull it off for some reason. I'm not buying the 'lone gunman' theory. Ain't happening. The rest is just too convinent to be easily believed.
-Tyger