Will Mag's get fully banned in the UK

[Mario]

unless the milleniums series ban it then you'll be able to use it next year in the CPL and the MM/KOTH

also i don't see why your going after paul here 'godlike' player....he don't even import timmy's only vikings as he stated in his last post. and from what i understand the holding of a ball is for milliseconds on the WAS board and i take's more than a few milliseconds to pull a trigger......even when double tapping.....

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by Godlike player
Its ok rob i know what you were trying to get at its mr colier that i think is trying to stir it up

Why so formal? you can call me Paul.

Oh and your wrong!

Originally posted by Godlike player

(the Timmy suffered badly from shootdown at high ROF, the dwell would ramp to compensate)

if this can be done then the offending guns should be banned as they are illegal by law in the uk if they go over 12 ft lbs which is around 315fps with an average weight paintball and there is no way of checking for it and how much the gun actually ramps.

Well as said I've seen no proof of this as there was no proof that the timmy electrics would cause shootdown. Jim Drew works closely with the NPPL regarding gun rules I'm pretty sure he wouldn't risk his reputation on an illegal board.

Originally posted by Godlike player

(There is a delayed mode on the WAS board but this holds one shot not multiples, if the ball is not detected the board waits a short delay before firing the idea being that in those milliseconds the unfed ball would drop.)

if one shot can be held then its illegal as that shot would be discharged at some point without the requirement of a further trigger pull and also if it can store one shot then it can store more as I have seen with some guns they kick into what I can only describe as a turbo mode which is also banned.

We're talking milliseconds here!!! You're also wrong about it storing more then 1 shot.
The boards have a Tournament lock any competant chorny judge can check to see if its in delayed mode, not that you'd want to use this mode as its slower then forced mode and you run the risk of chopping.

I've explained my input into this thread NOT that I have to justify it to you, if you think theres more to my comments then that then thats your problem.
Let me ask you this though, if you really think I'm into slandering other markers for my own gain, how the f*ck am I allowed to write for PGI, why did I give the VF Cocker a glowing review??

From what you write its clear you don't know anything about the WAS boards or AKA Markers I suggest you get your facts straight or shut the **** up.

Incidently I have owned an Xmag......

Paul.


[EDIT[ I've done some routing around and found Jim Drews answers to the claims of Shot Storing and Dwell Ramping see page 3[/EDIT]

 

[Philip]

Originally posted by Godlike player
(There is a delayed mode on the WAS board but this holds one shot not multiples, if the ball is not detected the board waits a short delay before firing the idea being that in those milliseconds the unfed ball would drop.)

if one shot can be held then its illegal as that shot would be discharged at some point without the requirement of a further trigger pull and also if it can store one shot then it can store more as I have seen with some guns they kick into what I can only describe as a turbo mode which is also banned.

Most newer boards on all markers do this now. It pauses when the ball isn't detected, but you are still doing 1 pull per shot. The pause is negligable and barely noticeable.

What about the boards that delay a shot if you exceed the ROF cap? Say you have it set at 10bps and you shot 2 at 10bps but the last exceeds it....it will wait until the new 'cycle' before releasing that ball....still 1 shot per pull and once again it is milliseconds as with the eye.

 

[Philip]

Originally posted by Paul_collier

Incidently I have owned an Xmag......

Dude, you've owned just about everything

 

[Collier]

Thanks Mario, Phill...

Paul

 

[PimpDaddyZanwaa]

CHIL WID DA STILL WINSTON!!!

This post starts off an innocent little matter of will or wont mags get banned
and then out of no where it turns in to full on TECHY WAR FARE. with mentions of people breaking the law.

I dont know about anyone else here but i have no idea what the hell any of you are on about but I do know is that Mr Godlike Player you need to CHILL THE F$#K OUT.

Fair enough you have a point to make but theres ways of doing it with out blatently trying to attack someone.

PEACE!!

 

[gaff]

i dont want toget involved in any rows, death threats or anything similiar, but i would like for you guys to leave it alone!

there are modes and suspicions associated with lots of guns especially at the top levels, and from my point of view i would like our sound and honest reputation (STORM that is!) to remain in tact. unfortunately a by product of threads like this is that joe public only remember the wrong parts of threads like this eg

X-mag and banned and STORM!!

as we shoot X-mags, and do not have modes, stored shots, dwell ramps etc etc, oh and to put the record straight do not bounce either!!! we would like (obviously!) the focus taken away from one of the minority of markers that shoots fair and true.

we are constantly being asked to demonstrate our guns cos of the rof we can achieve, please do not make us even more 'picked on' at the chrony station than is required just because of some silly question on a forum!

if you have serious questions like the first posting then telephone the guy who makes the guns directly and he will bet his livelyhood that they are not gonna be banned, and do not do anything that gives them an unfair advantage (other than shoots faster and softer than any other on the market!)

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by gaff
i dont want toget involved in any rows, death threats or anything similiar, but i would like for you guys to leave it alone!

there are modes and suspicions associated with lots of guns especially at the top levels, and from my point of view i would like our sound and honest reputation (STORM that is!) to remain in tact. unfortunately a by product of threads like this is that joe public only remember the wrong parts of threads like this eg

X-mag and banned and STORM!!

as we shoot X-mags, and do not have modes, stored shots, dwell ramps etc etc, oh and to put the record straight do not bounce either!!! we would like (obviously!) the focus taken away from one of the minority of markers that shoots fair and true.

we are constantly being asked to demonstrate our guns cos of the rof we can achieve, please do not make us even more 'picked on' at the chrony station than is required just because of some silly question on a forum!

if you have serious questions like the first posting then telephone the guy who makes the guns directly and he will bet his livelyhood that they are not gonna be banned, and do not do anything that gives them an unfair advantage (other than shoots faster and softer than any other on the market!)

Gaff I completely understand, I hope you do note howver that I did only state (correctly) that an RT/E/X/Mag cannot be chronoed properly without the trigger rod. And then asked the question of how software can effect somthing the valve does independantly.
I innitiallly entered into this thread quite light heartedly but the unjust attack on Markers that I distribute I'm not gonna take!
Also note I never attacked any mags just asked questions and stated facts unlike some.....

Paul

 

[Collier]

From Jim Drew:

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz
DELAYED and FORCED both have the ball timeout period. In DELAYED mode, if a ball is not found within the 750ms window, the marker will go ahead and fire anyways (hence, the named "DELAYED"). In FORCED mode, after the 750ms time has elapsed, the trigger event is just ignored (requiring you to repull the trigger for the next shot). Nothing is ever stored.

Originally posted by WickedAirSportz


Yes, you can ramp the dwell... in fact, ALL of the Angels do this and it is no secret. It's also legal as long as the velocity does not exceed 300 fps. Now that we have chronos that will measure cyclic rates (75 bps), we can easily determine shot to shot velocity and rate of fire. No cheating allowed.

The Equalizer does NOT ramp the dwell... we don't need to. We have quick regulator recharge rates. If you set your marker to shoot 300 fps with 8ms of dwell, you will notice a max of 11 fps increase when setting the dwell to 25ms. In the case of the Intimidator, ramping is not worth the SEVERE decrease in the rate of fire.

 

[gaff]

Originally posted by Paul_collier
Gaff I completely understand, I hope you do note howver that I did only state (correctly) that an RT/E/X/Mag cannot be chronoed properly without the trigger rod. And then asked the question of how software can effect somthing the valve does independantly.
I innitiallly entered into this thread quite light heartedly but the unjust attack on Markers that I distribute I'm not gonna take!
Also note I never attacked any mags just asked questions and stated facts unlike some.....

Paul

why in your opinion can the X-mag not be chronoed properly if the manual switch or trigger rod are removed or locked? it can only be tested if the option to switch to it during game is an option. if the option is removed to the player then the chrono marshall will not need to test it surely? why would you want to switch to manual anyway? electro is the fast and soft way to shoot these mothers, cos as soon as you switch to manual the eye is disabled thus allowing for possible chops (if the level 10 skips a beat!)

i do not know how the dwell ramp issue works cos i only good at shootin not techin! but it has been explained to me and apparently the gun can jump from like 280fps to 330fps by allowing the sweet input pressure to drop during ROF to the point at which the gun performs better thus higher fps, basically the gun is gagging at the set input or something like that?

all i know is we are getting a lot of forum time with our guns and the majority of it is not necessary, and bad for our team. as i said earlier we get enough funny looks cos of the speed our guns fire as it is! the last thing we want is for marshalls to give us even more grief at the chrono

we are not being allowed to use our tourney paint at campaign either, which is a massive disadvantage, cos it is soooo brittle it breaks on the netting at the other end of the field therefore enabling us to get multiple kills on the breaks! but cos ZAP only mke it with a pink fill we cannot use it! so another disadvantage for us! cos we are one of the very few teams that can get it through our guns