Will a foreign team ever win in tha US?

[Giles]

I doubt it

After playing for 2 seasons in the NPPL I believe that knowone will be competing for a tournament in the US for many years
No other country gets the chance to compete at there level consistantly enough and it cannot be copied with any league or format to make it easier
X-ball will be won by the Americans for many years, I go way back in Paintball to its roots in the UK and have played through all the concepts to date and as an English player am pleased to say I have been on a winning team in most countries I have played in

But of course it is my opinion and I can take critisism when it is informed and has something with it to back it up

Peace

Giles

 

[KillerOnion]

True, true

Originally posted by Wadidiz
I forgot to add what you just said. It very seldom is easy or even possible to get the mugging situations right. Most of the time both players have to get pulled, often with both of them screaming about hitting the other player first. But maybe better ref training and the tougher rules I suggested for collecting penalties during a tournament can reduce the playing on.

What do you think about 3 strikes and you're out?

Oh for F***s sake...ever heard of being where the action is likely to occur? Very simple. Stand on side near where a mugging is going to happen (Gee, refs paying attention to what's going on in the game. What a concept!) or be on your belly, and when it happens, watch what they do! Whoah, I think we uncovered something here!

 

[Wadidiz]

Wow, never thought of that!

This is very obvious. I've judged with some of the best teams in the world (GZ, SC Ironmen, Joy Division) and don't you think we do that? No matter how good you are you are going to miss seeing who got hit first pretty often. On today's concept fields the muggings take place from an almost infinite number of directions. Besides we can't show the potential muggee where he may be getting mugged from by our stance.

The main point is: when we do catch players clearly playing on we must be consistent in penalizing them. And then any player who does it the third time in the same tournament should be pulled from the tournament (in my opinion) and her/his team must play every game thereafter with one less player.

Steve

 

[knobbs]

Sorry to bring this topic back up, but I just want to point something out...

Everyone seemed to be pissed that the US team won X-Ball and blamed it on cheating/bad reffing. Well, why is it, then that out of the top 8 teams at the Campaign Cup, 6 were from the US, one of which took first?

Now if 6 teams can place in the finals in a tournament off US soil, imagine taking the best of those teams and putting them together.

Anyway, I just wanted to point that out to the naysayers.

 

[Toryboy]

Originally posted by knobbs
Sorry to bring this topic back up, but I just want to point something out...

Everyone seemed to be pissed that the US team won X-Ball and blamed it on cheating/bad reffing. Well, why is it, then that out of the top 8 teams at the Campaign Cup, 6 were from the US, one of which took first?

Now if 6 teams can place in the finals in a tournament off US soil, imagine taking the best of those teams and putting them together.

Anyway, I just wanted to point that out to the naysayers.

cos they cheated there to maybe? just didnt get caught and the fact that the marshals ARE scared of stopping/pulling pro US teams,(not that the marshals can stop em easily teh concept of neutral player obviously doesnt exist in the states) watched it on a couple of games. (still i think overall campaign went well)

 

[knobbs]

So reffing is either 1) biased towards the US everywhere or 2) blind everywhere. Whatever, I don't buy it, live with the fact that X-Ball was won fair and square.

 

[paintyerass]

In the tournaments I've played in a player being checked by a refaree is only neutral if the refaree has called that player to
be so , or has stood the player up and has physical contact
while preforming a check. Which then opens up another can of worms should an opposing player make an aggresive move during
said check. All seems to depend on the experience and quality
of the reff.

 

[Wadidiz]

So let's do something about it.

I'm starting to sound like a broken record. There does seem to be a problem. The higher the level of teams playing, the more there is (probably systematic) playing on. The pace of action is faster and it is harder for even experienced, trained refs to catch blatant playing on. Then there is the problem of the willingness to follow the rules because of the "good ole boy" circuit, misplaced respect for the top teams, intimidation, lack of back-up and fear of being called a dick because you, alone, start enforcing the rules that are plainly there in black and white.

Solutions that I wish to get feedback on:

1. Make sure all judges are briefed before each tournament to ensure that everyone is intent on following the rules consistently and properly trained to deal with the "big boys".

2. Continue to work with the development of a professional reffing corp. Give them time to develop, give them proper training and recognize that, no matter what, there will be mistakes made.

3. Institute the 3-strikes-you're-out rule. To repeat: any player who gets the same penalty 3 times in the same tournament will be pulled from the tournament and her/his team will have to play with 1 player less. Keep NPPL/Millennium statistics on the same, like in other sports.

4. Add to the rules that any player pulled from a second tournament within either the NPPL or Millennium series will be suspended for the season from both leagues.

5. Get tough on players who intimidate or in any way threaten or mistreat judges. No hesistation on penalizing abusers. Zero tolerance!

It is about time the fear of God is put into the cheating and grey-area players! Big time behavior modification.

Why no response to the 3-strikes suggestions? Is everyone who reads this afraid of these rules being applied to themelves or their own team?

Are these ideas flawed?

Steve

 

[paintyerass]

I agree whole heartedly to all your suggestions and belive these
or something very like them will need to be instituted before
paintball will be legitimized as a sport in the eyes of the general public. As an example if you read the various publications, and
its hard to fault them because they are only trying to portray
us in the best light, and then you go to an event and you witness
some of the crap that goes on ( players and refs) it tends to leave you a little disillusioned. I personally am willing to be judged by rules you laid forth.

 

[Glorykid]

listen to yourselves guys.....

The yanks are better simple fact...they play more they have more players to choose from etc etc.

They dont all cheat...

I am english and would love to see someone beat the yanks, i have friends on Sc ironmen,Dynasty and Gz, we cant compete these guys play twice a month and train every weekend.

we need an english paintball league were tourneys are over 2 days to allow the europeans to come over.

when we have that the better we will get.

Stop moaning and accept the yanks rock, instead of moaning bout them talk to em, ask how they practice.

peace