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danrandon

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Neutral atoms have to literally hit each other like billiard balls in order to affect each other. Because charged particles can attract or repell each other across a large distance, they have a much bigger reach physically. They can also generate magnetic fields and interact with magnetic fields that are already present. Amazingly, electrostatic forces are much stronger than gravity. The entire gravitational force of the Earth acting on a paperclip cannot win a tug-of-war with a simple toy magnet, due to the electrostatic forces which are caused by the magnet
 

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danrandon said:
Neutral atoms have to literally hit each other like billiard balls in order to affect each other. Because charged particles can attract or repell each other across a large distance, they have a much bigger reach physically. They can also generate magnetic fields and interact with magnetic fields that are already present. Amazingly, electrostatic forces are much stronger than gravity. The entire gravitational force of the Earth acting on a paperclip cannot win a tug-of-war with a simple toy magnet, due to the electrostatic forces which are caused by the magnet
I'm afraid this does not answer the question......
 

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danrandon said:
because the magnetic field from the magnet is closer to the object being attracted it has a greater effect on the object.

Sorry mate, all you are telling me are the conditions and not the explanation.....come on darandon, you gotta do better than this mate..:)
 

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Oh My Gawd !!!!!!
I just can't sit back and look at this mumbo jumbo any longer, if you guys are gonna debate the effect of gravity then at least discuss one of its more enigmatic features.......discuss this :-

Gravity is a pretty powerful force in that its effect travels the length and breadth of the known universe, in other words, our meager planet in our meager solar system in our meager galaxy has an effect on the furthest star in the furthest solar system in the furthest galaxy.

Obviously the farther it is away the less effect it has and is also a feature of the relative mases of both our planet and the effected sun but nevertheless it has an effect...that said, how can it be that a paper clip with a mass of a few grams that is being attracted by our earth that has a mass of something like 6 x 10 to the power 24 Kg be counteracted by a small weak magnet.

Put more simply, if a paper clip is sitting on a table, being attracted by the force of gravity of the earth that weighs nearly as much as Ledz and Piper combined (Ok I exaggerate) then how come a small magnet can pull that paper clip in the opposite direction of the attractive force of gravity so easily???
Think about that for a minute or so....

Answer that and I'd be impressed !!!
Because the gravitational pull is determined by the product of the masses of both objects and not just one, so big mass x tiny mass = relatively small mass (in comparison to the entire mass of the earth, obviously, it'd still be a reasonably large number)...?
 

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AndyDane said:
Because the gravitational pull is determined by the product of the masses of both objects and not just one, so big mass x tiny mass = relatively small mass (in comparison to the entire mass of the earth, obviously, it'd still be a reasonably large number)...?
Once again, not an answer...and if you ponder the relative sizes of the earth / paperclip to that of a small magent / paperclip then you have to focus on the nature of the forces themsleves.......and herein lies the intrigue...don't cha tink?

:):)

Keep going guys.....

..perhaps it's better to frame the question as to why gravity is sooooo damned weak...
 

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Robbo said:
Oh My Gawd !!!!!!
I just can't sit back and look at this mumbo jumbo any longer, if you guys are gonna debate the effect of gravity then at least discuss one of its more enigmatic features.......discuss this :-

Gravity is a pretty powerful force in that its effect travels the length and breadth of the known universe, in other words, our meager planet in our meager solar system in our meager galaxy has an effect on the furthest star in the furthest solar system in the furthest galaxy.

Obviously the farther it is away the less effect it has and is also a feature of the relative mases of both our planet and the effected sun but nevertheless it has an effect...that said, how can it be that a paper clip with a mass of a few grams that is being attracted by our earth that has a mass of something like 6 x 10 to the power 24 Kg be counteracted by a small weak magnet.

Put more simply, if a paper clip is sitting on a table, being attracted by the force of gravity of the earth that weighs nearly as much as Ledz and Piper combined (Ok I exaggerate) then how come a small magnet can pull that paper clip in the opposite direction of the attractive force of gravity so easily???
Think about that for a minute or so....

Answer that and I'd be impressed !!!
bumble bee's shouldn't fly, but they do. things happen deal with it

am i close? :p
 

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Sheep dont shrink, because wool is surprisingly water resistant when still connected to teh sheep...teh natural oils in teh sheeps fur, much like the Crsip 'N Dry on your hair Cookie, makes it fairly waterproof.

Cows, much liek many other mammals...produce milk for teh purpose of feeding their young...rather like women do...while human females have the ability, to humerously squirt milk several feet at your best mate, while teh breasts are engourged after having a child....cows sadly do not have this ability, though I am sure they leak when they are full...in regards to nasal discharge of milk, I fear that regardless of how much pepper she snorted, nor how many times she looked at teh sun on a bright day...she would fail to eject milk through her nose...unless she had actually drunk it...milk is produced in teh Udder, not in teh stomachs.

Snowmen are constructed of frozen water particles and have no apparent life in them, other than anything taht might be living in tehm at the time.
Should a carrot, fish or any other item be placed in teh area, which could be regarded as it's nose, there is no sentient being to smell said item..and so therfore, I can only conclude, that Snowmen, dont smell carrots.

During teh process of carrying out a death sentence by leathal injection...several substances are injected into the body, at different times, to do different things...should an error occur, and the subject was to survive teh error, but contract an infection from an unsteralised needle...they could then be in a position to claim negligence charges against their executioners. Lethal injection is controlled by teh same medical ethics and laws, as any other medical procedure and so...steralised needles are used.
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