Why does everyone take it out on WDP

[FrontManDan]

You should'nt have to set up a halo because with all the other markers ive used you just turn them on and there good to go with any paint.
I dont want to be doing any of this oiling the drive belt etc.


Im just pointing out that there was an known inherent flaw with WDP's design that they did nothing about till the G7 came along.

And its all well and good saying put an evolve kit on it, but those kits have only recently been manufactured to a quality where they last a couple of days of play (they had to close the evolve forum because so many were f****g up) + i like to be able to service my gun after every days play and its practically impossible unless you have a chrono of your own and half a case of paint.

And the design of the eyes is pants you will never convince me otherwize.

My ir3 shot much better than my 05 speed ever did because i put a decent set of eyes in it.
http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=36309&highlight=chaos

 

[FrontManDan]

Originally posted by Zebra3
Frontmandan have you seen how much roll back you get on an EGO? Let me tell you that its way more than you get on any Angel. If someone has an Ego why dont they take a pic and post it on here.

buy one of these and it will fix that

 

[John C]

Originally posted by FrontManDan
buy one of these and it will fix that

There you go, so are you saying all egos without one of those wont work with a halo?? Will it chop paint like crazy??
No of course not.

Reducing roll back helps but it is nowhere near as big a problem as you make out, otherwise other manufacturers would remove the rollback from their guns, when they often dont bother.



Also my point about the evolve kit is not to do with its reliability or how it is setup.

What I am saying is that you are wrong and in fact an Angel has the potential to be more gentle on paint than most of its rivals.

Even with the roll back issue, a well setup angel can shoot extremely brittle paint, without chopping 'mad style' as you put it.
I know this because I tech alot of guns, incuding Angels every day.


Oh and setting up your halo to your gun is important no matter what gun or paint you are shooting.
With a halo you make a trade between the rate of fire the halo can feed and how tough you are on the paint.

When you have the non adjustable boards then grease is the best way of adjusting the force on the paint.
If you have an adjustable board then you follow the manual as to how you adjust it.

 

[FrontManDan]

Im not saying an ego is any better.

Originally posted by John C
When you have the non adjustable boards then grease is the best way of

If i grease my belt for an angel, then when i come to use my DM4 its ultimatly going to be slower in some shape or form then it would be if i had a clean drive belt.

Thats not acceptable to me.

 

[John C]

Originally posted by FrontManDan
Im not saying an ego is any better.

What are you saying then??
According to you any gun with roll back will chop brittle paint like crazy.

I have witnessed enough egos and angels shooting extremely brittle paint to know that this isnt the case.

Roll back is not such a big thing, If you really want me to explain how the whole thing works then drop me an email.

Originally posted by FrontManDan
If i grease my belt for an angel, then when i come to use my DM4 its ultimatly going to be slower in some shape or form then it would be if i had a clean drive belt.

Thats not acceptable to me.

Yes if you grease your belt it would be slower, yet more gentle on paint.

And with a dry drivebelt, it would be definately be faster on the angel as it has a cycle time of well less than 1/30th of a second.

It will also be tougher on paint with the DM but you may not see much of a difference speed wise with the DM as the cycle time is much higher.

Any other effect (including the effect of roll back) exists only when there is a problem with the hopper, gun or paint.

And all this is immaterial anyway as you cant get over 20bps without uber cheat modes.



With the invention of adjustable boards we no longer need to use grease to compensate for tolerances in halo motors/gears.
Instead the board has adjustability built in.

 

[FrontManDan]

Originally posted by John C
What are you saying then??
According to you any gun with roll back will chop brittle paint like crazy..

i have never owned an ego , so i really cant comment.


Ive said all that needs to be said about roll back, it exists, wdp new about it yet did nothing about it...



Why dont you try and defend the factory fitted eye system?...

 

[John C]

Originally posted by FrontManDan

Why dont you try and defend the factory fitted eye system?...

I havent been defending anything, merely correcting your incorrect asumptions about roll back.

 

[FrontManDan]

there not incorrect

 

[Gyroscope]

John, I am very willing to be persuaded that roll back does not cause chops. I'm not there yet, though. It sounds as though you are saying with careful tuning, you can mitigate roll-back induced chops. You seem like an authority on Angels. It would be cool if you explained what you mean... although it might be a bit off topic. It would make a heck of a good tech thread, though.

If I understand you correctly, FrontManDan, your beef is that WDP takes too long responding to known deficiencies. It seems that way to me, too. They sure held on to the pressure sensor anti-chop scheme for a long time, even though it lacked the confidence of most players I know. The fact that, ultimately, they changed to BB eyes, and released an Angel that moves the bolt forward suggests that WDP acknowledged these things as faults. Maybe they were simply bowing to market pressures, and felt that the old way was fine, all along. I don't really buy it, but the sentiment may be sincere.

 

[Taratang]

Originally posted by FrontManDan
+ the "lazer eyes" are so small that when you get a break in the breach (dont lie it happens) it clogs the holes and instantly nocks you into eye bypass mode. Then to fix this you have to remove the eyes which is a brutal procedure at best.

I've had this problem a few times in the past season, does anyone know if the speed 06 is any better in this regard?