Whats with all the rude behaviour

[TendringLOEB]

Originally posted by ollytheosteo
The only winners are the new players looking for a bargain and those who don't need to be at the bleeding edge of technology in order to be able to shoots a guy.

Agreed. The effect of this consistant price drop is almost a paintball hardware recession. Also, my first marker, i bought for far too much which only boils down to me not doing the research behind at what levels different markers stand and the relevant price.

Originally posted by Nickyboy Why would anyone bother, its your marker, you paid for it, you sell it at what you want.

Also agree to an extent, it really does depend on personal perception, if you were selling your beloved gat, it would surely be an offense to sell it at less than you think its worth. However in the rare chance that someone actually wants far more than its worth realistically thean a definite PM should be sent.

But overall, the best advice i can think of is to help the new players that are willing to buy, if you see they are about to get ripped off, send them a pm outlining your concerns, send the seller the same pm outlining your concerns and be done with it, The last actions are down to both the buyer and seller.

Paul

 

[Steve Hancock]

I would have thought that the drop in second hand prices would be more to do with the fact that you can get a new marker for only £200, that is still highly competitive. i.e. the ion. Yes the ion might not be as good as the current top guns (ego, speed'06 etc), but its nearly as good (if not better) than a lot of guns that are a year or so old. So why would you pay loads more for something not much better? So the reduction in cost in the 1st hand market has reduced demand in the 2nd hand market, hence a lower market price.

Another factor might be that manufacturers have cottoned on the fact that the marker whores will buy there lastest gun no matter how frequently they bring out new models. So they are taking advantage of this addiction, and subsiquently there is an increase in the supply side of the second hand market with the whores selling off their "so-last-season" guns, increase in supply decrease in price.

I can't see how unfounded claims about the market price could reduce it. The only way someone posting could prevent a sale was by showing a genuine, current sale where it is available for less. Then the person will buy it there instead. If there is no lower current sale, then they can't can they! Same applies to previous sales. The price of previous sales have no bearing on current market price. If someone is selling something v. cheap as they are in a hurry, then they are lowering the market price, but only temporarily. If someone is selling one for £100, why would anyone pay £150? They won't. But once its been sold, the price is no longer determined by it. If they want to buy one, and no-one is offering one for £100 then they will have to pay £150.

So if you want to sell for £150 that is fine, but you can't expect people to buy yours when others are available cheaper. But nor should anyone expect you to sell for cheaper if no one else is CURRENTLY selling for cheaper.

But anyway, as i said previously, i personally wouldn't bother pointing out alternative current offers, as the search facilities are there. I was merel pointing out that i believe it is harmless. The only time i would speak up was if i though someone was deliberatley trying to con someone, eg higher than the retail price. And then all i'd say is advise them to have look into alternatives for themselves.

And ollie - you normally talk sense. surely you're not suggesting that people selling have any grounds for complaint against others who sell cheaper? Or are you advocating a cartel system?

Free market all the way!

And nickyboy a response to your comments.

You say......If it's more then retail price it's a different matter, so what if it's just some kid posting on your sale that they saw one for sale a week ago at this price and you should lower yours.

CURRENT price. It was for sale a week ago, not now. If there was one for sale cheaper now then if i want to sell mine straight away i would need to drop my price yes. or i could just wait until its been sold, and sell mine for more. That is unless someone else is selling cheaper, in which case i might want to consider how long i'll have to wait. Thats how it works in a free market, anything else is price fixing.

The person poking thier nose in is not acting as a market analyst. The only reason the market analyst isn't allowed to do that is becasue they have a proffessional position of responsibility. If theymake up bull**** it can have an effect, because of their unique position.

But yes i can understand how bull**** can be annoying, but it can't reduce the price, unless it isn't bull****.

 

[ollytheosteo]

I'm not advocating any kind of control over the market, I just think there are too many interfering folks who seem to have nothing better to do than lurk in the classified forum sticking their oars in to threads when they have no intention of buying anything, especially when the reason the price on item X is so low because they decided to sell one for peanuts.
As far as marker tarts go, if I had just bought, say, a G7 for retail and then been forced to sell it for some reason I think I'd be a bit cheesed off with the person that buys one at a discount then sells it for a silly price a week later, thus forcing everyone else to take less money. But that's just me; I've been using the same Evo X for a few years, albeit with new bits, and despite getting to play with a lot of new toys hot off the presses I still can't understand folks that change their marker every week and sell the old ones at a huge loss both to themselves and anyone else with the same marker to sell. I just wish I had that much cash

As for the Ion being better than a year-old top end marker......but I've said enough.

 

[Nickyboy]

What's with the Steve, after all I work as a market analyst for a blue chip company, so lets not think your all knowing. Not that I do, but I can maintain some respect to people I don't actually know in person.

Anyways, I don't agree with quite a lot of your points, but c'est la vie.

Or would you like me to say, Timmy's have dropped in price because of the ion, and that manufacturers are now targeting marker whores because they realised that they don't need customer loyalty and those people really do want to lose money on each new model? Crazy talk.

Your paragraph 3 actually happens, I started writing why, but this is a fruitless argument as people will only pay what the last person paid.

 

[Steve Hancock]

Why the ? Your first line for a start. Emotive melodrama, that gave me the impression you hadn't actually read what's been posted. The way you KEEP using "your" when you mean "you're". Ok that last one is just a personal hate, and hey my spelling is pretty crap, so call me a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Nickyboy
after all I work as a market analyst for a blue chip company

Really? You wrote in your profile that your occupation is "designer". Strange that.

 

[Nickyboy]

Well marketing product definition analyst for ford, I leave in two weeks. I'm off then to be a designer of aircraft engines, one of my dreams.

Nothing funny about it, and anyway this is pretty far from the thread topic, let end this.

 

[Gyroscope]

I am no market analyst and no college student anymore either, but I will say this:

It is rude to interfere in someone's sale without any intent to buy.

Criticising a price definitely scares off the hesitant potential buyer.

No one was asking about whether it is rude to point out con-men who ask more that MSRP on a used gun. That is rare enough anyway, why even bother addressing it? It is very common to see criticism of an asking price.

As Nick said, discussing prices in a more confidential venue is one way to avoid the whole mess.

 

[Taratang]

Originally posted by Steve Hancock
Public forum. Plain and simple. If you want to conduct your business in private, conduct your business in private.

Seriously, why did this thread not end right here?

 

[Gyroscope]

It is possible to do a lot of things in public that are rude. Censure takes all kinds of forms, including trying to convince people that it is rude online.

The original question was, "what's with the rude behavior". The answer seems to be that people don't realize it is rude (as usual). Alternatively, people are rescuing the gullible from situations that they could avoid simply by gathering information themselves.

 

[Missy Q]

personally I hate the losers who don't know when they are being rude. Fxck-em, thats what I say.
And their sisters - don't get me started on their sisters....