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Steve Hancock

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Originally posted by Edd Hobday
Don't go jacking their thread telling them the price is too high because you saw someone sell something similar for lower.
I personally wouldn't bother with minor price haggleing that wasn't anything to do with me. But i don't think there is anything wrong with providing info on the current market price.
Originally posted by Steve Hancock
Having said that i'd only comment if i thought it was being significantly over-priced (20-25% plus) i wouldn't interfere with minor haggleing.
But if they are selling more expensive than the 1st hand retail price then that is a different matter.
Originally posted by Nickyboy
I personally think that unless it's your thread then you should butt out. Plain and simple.
Public forum. Plain and simple. If you want to conduct your business in private, conduct your business in private.
Originally posted by Nickyboy
...if you post "Thats too high, they go for 200" then your part of a bigger problem which is price fixing.
Price fixing can be done in a number of ways. Suppliers agreeing to artificially inflate the price. This is known as a cartel and is illegal, as it is classed as anti-competitive behaviour. Another way is for one company (usually a large, rich and powerful one) to use their resources to lower their prices, sometimes even below what it costs them to produce. The aim of this is to drive competition out of business, so that they can then hike their prices back up again afterwards. This also can be classed as anti-competitive behaviour, however as it is harder to define in terms of business practise, it is mainly prevented (in the UK) by the monopolies and mergers commission preventing any company getting into a position where it is able to do this.

Another way is by restricting information, not by providing it. Admittedly professionals whose job is to determine accurate market values, or provide advice on future market values (such as stock analysts) be involved in price fixing, by providing false info. But that is a breach of their professional responsibility rather than an offence that any member of the public could be charged with. Compare those with what you are suggesting price fixing is.
Originally posted by Nickyboy
Take A4Flys for instance, if you make them all the same price, then the only person who's going to make a sale is the person that go's lower...
Well no actually, it likely that the person with the lowest price will be the first to make a sale. But after that, if you are prepared to wait then the price will come back up again. If however, there were always people trying to get a quick sale then that would be a surplus of supply so yes the market price would stay low.

And as you pointed out, there is the search function. If someone posts saying that there are cheaper markers else where, then i expect your potential customers will have a look. If there are cheaper markers, then i expect they will buy them. Hang on that sounds oddly like a free market, the opposite of price fixing! On the other hand if they find there isn't a cheaper supplier then they will come back to you. Market forces strike again! Of course if we restrict info, then the more expensive markers sell first, now that is more akin to price fixing.

But anyway i;ve never been fussed with people being slightly higher or lower than other sellers, thats normal. If you are selling something a little above what someone else is selling it for because you are not after a quick sale, then i'll have no gripe. Although nor would i have a problem with anyone providing info on other current sales.
Originally posted by Nickyboy
If you don't agree, then please just keep that crap off my sales threads.
Nope,if i you're trying to rip someone off, like it or not, i'm going to say it like i see it. As i've said above though, don't expect any comments showing slightly cheaper options, thats not what i'm talking about.

And by the way if anyone was to comment on a item i was selling, then i would merely ask them to provide a link to a cheaper marker. If it was of the same quality then i would expect someone to buy that instead. If i was desperate to sell, i'd lower the price, if i wasn't that desperate i'd wait. That's how a fair market works, free info only makes it fairer. Seriously, i'll be selling some stuff in the near future, come have a look, do a search, feel free to point out cheaper markers.
 

Nickyboy

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So infact what your saying is your going to poke your nose in on everyones deals regardless of whether you have an actual interest in the product or not?

You say......If it's more then retail price it's a different matter, so what if it's just some kid posting on your sale that they saw one for sale a week ago at this price and you should lower yours.

Thats what most people here have the arse about.....

About the price fixing, just so you understand......The person poking their nose in is acting as the market analyst deciding that, should be the said market price. The result is the same, prices get fixed at a level.

And yes topics like this are public topics, but why does Johnny's marker sale become a uk paintball topic of conversation where everyone can say, add, comment on what they like?

"Seriously, i'll be selling some stuff in the near future, come have a look, do a search, feel free to point out cheaper markers. " > Why would anyone bother, its your marker, you paid for it, you sell it at what you want.
 

Roulette

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cool to get other peoples opinions and i'm not sure if some of steve hancock's post was trying to cause controversy, but it's all good.
My reasoning behind this was to see if it was all of the newer people who were joining the forums chipping in or whether there was a general, lust for intervention.
 

Gyroscope

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Answer to "what's with all the rude behaviour":

People are following their conscience. With the best of intentions, if someone tells you that your gun isn't worth what you are asking, it is because that person is defending the meek and ignorant newbies who might potentially see your classified.

Nick's suggestion is excellent.
 

eastie123

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rude behaviour

i personally dont see it as being rude just advice in a different manner...

and hey thats paintball for ya! jus a laugh but stressfull at the same time, which is basically the same when buying and selling markers.
 
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ollytheosteo

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I was talking to my brother last night and he mentioned that on airsoft forums you can earn a ban for posting anything in someone else's classified thread except enquiries and interest in purchasing. All these folk who feel the need to set people right as to prices when not interested in shopping themselves would be banned without question.

Personally I think if someone comes on trying to sell a Spyder for £200 a gentle word MIGHT be appropriate but coming into a thread saying "you won't get that mate, I just sold mine for £100 less" is just bloody cheeky and one of the reasons second hand markers have dropped through the floor. Marker tarts come on selling the last latest thing for half price because the new one's come out and everybody with the same to sell has to pay for their impatience/bad financial planning. The only winners are the new players looking for a bargain and those who don't need to be at the bleeding edge of technology in order to be able to shoots a guy.