what is professional paintball?

[Rich S]

i understand that in paintball terms he is pro, but we have to look at it in a wider scope. paintball is expanding and to get professionals in the sporting sense. then paintball needs to be understood and enjoyed / watched by the public.

in the usa there is the NXL, in this they have divisions(levels) like in most sports. and from what i have seen there has been greater media influences in this than the super7's (though i know that this has changed in the last few weeks with the S7's getting lots of media attention and is scheduled to be broadcast on tv soon.)

this, i believe, is due to thier simplicity of their organisation; every sport has divisions that are defined, so does the nxl. but in the S7, millennium and smaller tourneys they still use the old paintball method of pro, am and nov. these are not widely defined, as the above arguement between myself and fish has shown; there is a view in the paintball circuit and there is the general views (that are applied to other sports).

therefore there will be a problem of non-paintballers understanding and unless paintball can get as big as most other sports and then can dictate that pros are the equivalent of the top divisions there there will be the problems.
as paintball will not be as big as football, NFL, rugby, NHL etc, wouldn't it be easier to redefine how we classify teams than change public ideas on sports classification?

MacD, i am not trying to rock the boat but public image and getting media and public attention is paramount in the sport at the moment and simple arguments on what professional paintball is need to be sorted. as already we have a split down the middle with nxl and s7/mill and their difination of the sport. how the public view the sport will be partially on how they understand the sport.

 

[Flash-Bugout]

Originally posted by Rich S
many of the uni guys are thinking of not doing the nexus day as they think that the cost will not balance with the gains (40 for entry + paint = lots) where as for that cost we can run 2 sessions ourselves and train constanly with another team(s)

2 sessions of 2 days? Doubt it.

I have to agree with MacD on this one, who cares about the dictionary definition of a word. The thread is entitled

what is professional paintball

not what is the dictionary definition of the word professional.

And all this "we" when referring to Portsmouth Uni Paintball Club/Team - huh - aren't you a University of Surrey student now? Maybe you should drag their name into crap that you post, and not bring Portsmouth into it.

I know that your sig says

anything written are my views and not representing the club/team, university or organisation - unless stated

so don't use the club/team/university as an example.

For everybody else - ignore pretty much everything he says - the twat has a nasty habit of never engaging brain before opening mouth!

Richard, remove the keys from the JCB ignition, and step away from the digger, your grave is already deep enough...

 

[Fi$h]

Rich S, you're trying do die a martyr. I am not wrong. Mak, bro, at least you read my thread

Fi$h

 

[Rich S]

my opinions are my opinions.

i am not deeply involved with the industry or anything like that but as i have stated there is a problem of public perception. being that i have also played many other sports i look at paintball as how an external person may look at the sport. and using the dictionary/and popular use of sporting terms there are few in professional paintball. the people who are in professional paintball are people who get paid due to being in the sport (this is how it works in other sports) robbo, ant and the people who work for pgi get paid to do a paintball job, many of the people on top teams can be called professional as they are paid to be involved in the sport.

i use the uni as an example as i know that but if had played for a nov/am team then the same comments would have been applied.

these are my opinions mat (flash) whether you or anyone likes them they are up to you - they would be your own opinions. and i hope that if a mod sees your opinions and language flash then i hope they would do something about it.

 

[Fi$h]

I'm just saying that from the very instance i started playing paintball, i identified the pros as the teams playing in the top divisions, i am not wrong about what it means. I know what you're saying, Pro = Getting paid, but IN PAINTBALL, Millennium, Super 7s, whatever else (exept X-Ball, which markets itself as being DIFFERENT to these circuits), the pro divisions house the TOP teams, who DO make a hell of a lot of money when they win the pro. I'm not trying to start a fight or anything here, and i ignored your what you said about NeXuS because i think it is a complete discredit to the guys, saying that they are only there because of sponsorship, or whatever the hell you were talking about......I replied to this thread with my view of what paintball is, and as far as im concerned i'm right. When paintball gets to the scale of pro-paid sports like football, then you can start with your point of view. We are just moving into a new era of getting "Paid" to play but as the sport stands, PRO = BEST. Dynasty dont get paid to play millenniums etc. So i guess they are "Semi-pro"....how about No.

Please just humour me and say that you can see my point of view

Fi$h

 

[JoseDominguez]

Question was "what's a paintball pro?" fish answered, flash answered, you're still arguing Rich, THEY ARE RIGHT. Pro in paintball refers to players of a certain division. Simple as that. The top end. Maybe not paid, but paintball pros none the less. There ya go.
And if you look at paintball as an outsider, then maybe that's why you are still arguing.

 

[Rich S]

Originally posted by Fi$h - Nexus Eclipse
I'm just saying that from the very instance i started playing paintball, i identified the pros as the teams playing in the top divisions, i am not wrong about what it means. I know what you're saying, Pro = Getting paid, but IN PAINTBALL, Millennium, Super 7s, whatever else (exept X-Ball, which markets itself as being DIFFERENT to these circuits), the pro divisions house the TOP teams, who DO make a hell of a lot of money when they win the pro. I'm not trying to start a fight or anything here, and i ignored your what you said about NeXuS because i think it is a complete discredit to the guys, saying that they are only there because of sponsorship, or whatever the hell you were talking about......I replied to this thread with my view of what paintball is, and as far as im concerned i'm right. When paintball gets to the scale of pro-paid sports like football, then you can start with your point of view. We are just moving into a new era of getting "Paid" to play but as the sport stands, PRO = BEST. Dynasty dont get paid to play millenniums etc. So i guess they are "Semi-pro"....how about No.

Please just humour me and say that you can see my point of view

Fi$h

i dont need to humour you as what you say is correct in our point in time and with the way we see the sport. but having worked with the university marketing department (to get more support for the pompy uni team) they have shown me that there are many problems with the way see sport and how this works with the public.
jose you say that i am looking at ball as an outrsider, hence why i am still argueing, i see it both ways and while i have put forth my case above i do know that what fish described is the current case. i have argued my point to show what outsiders (the potential sponsors to the future of the game) see what professional in a mass sport sense is.

i hope people can see what i am saying and understand it, having external (none paintball sponsors) will be the next great step to stardom. imagine coca-cola were to sponsor nexus, dynasty, ton tons, (any of the pro teams) this would being in great public interest in the game and may lead to professional paintballers (in my sense of thinking)

 

[ChiZZerS]

Originally posted by Rich S

as paintball will not be as big as football, NFL, rugby, NHL etc, sport.

i have to disagrea with you there.

i think paintball will become huge (maby not as much as fotball)
but it will be big.
in my eyes all the BIG teams will be paid and sponsourd like mad.
and they will be put on ITV every week.

the normal ballers who mainly go to midlands masters will stay the same... not too heavily sponsoured
but still on their way to be a pro

then he rec ballers...well rec baller will always be a rec baller.

and then you will alway have your n00bs going to there local every 6 months spending a rediculas amount of money on paint

 

[Mak D - Nexus Eclipse]

Originally posted by Rich S


MacD, i am not trying to rock the boat but public image and getting media and public attention is paramount in the sport at the moment and simple arguments on what professional paintball is need to be sorted. as already we have a split down the middle with nxl and s7/mill and their difination of the sport. how the public view the sport will be partially on how they understand the sport.

Yo Rich every1 can see wot ur sayin man, but wot WE are saying is that in paintball there are levels of play!

Pro
Am A
Am B
Novice
Rookie (USA)

Now it doesnt take Einstien to see that Pro is the top level of play, its the level of skill or wotever you wanna call it that teams play at!

Paintball is gonna go big man its only a matter of time, and when it does you aint gonna have all these people crying in tha street because the pro players don't get paid!!!!! Might just be a Uni thing, but as far as I am aware EVERYONE who knows about ballin knows that PRO's are the best there a the top of the game. Now I might be wrong here so by all means if I am I ll put my hand up, but there aint no people running about confused that I can see.

And as Fi$h said about ur comment on NeXus I won't say anything either, just that you obviously have no idea how hard these guys worked to get 4TH in the WORLD @ Campaign now if that aint PRO then wot is mate??????
They are out there representin YOUR home country against the best in the world and doin a damm good job of it to! Man it makes me sad acutally

Suppose you can't keep everyone happy

Mak D

 

[JoseDominguez]

Originally posted by Rich S
i dont need to humour you as what you say is correct in our point in time and with the way we see the sport. but having worked with the university marketing department (to get more support for the pompy uni team) they have shown me that there are many problems with the way see sport and how this works with the public.
jose you say that i am looking at ball as an outrsider, hence why i am still argueing, i see it both ways and while i have put forth my case above i do know that what fish described is the current case. i have argued my point to show what outsiders (the potential sponsors to the future of the game) see what professional in a mass sport sense is.


No dude, you said that. Not me.
i hope people can see what i am saying and understand it, having external (none paintball sponsors) will be the next great step to stardom. imagine coca-cola were to sponsor nexus, dynasty, ton tons, (any of the pro teams) this would being in great public interest in the game and may lead to professional paintballers (in my sense of thinking)