Okay, that's why I mentioned that I have not seen the original post.
But I still feel that P'D off should do some major groveling for being such a tw*t.
But I still feel that P'D off should do some major groveling for being such a tw*t.
what happened to my reply 2 a post MR MODERATOR
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The point is simple...
This is not a messageboard, or an email service, if someone needs to get in touch with someone, whether it's tourney related or not, they can use announcements and queries - messages trying to get in touch with people or thank people for something have no place in a FORUm for DISCUSSION..they are ANNOUNCEMENTS.
It ain't rocket science...
And Nick, watch your tone...this ain't your site to give orders at and statements like 'Do X now' will only get people's backs up, understand?
This is not a messageboard, or an email service, if someone needs to get in touch with someone, whether it's tourney related or not, they can use announcements and queries - messages trying to get in touch with people or thank people for something have no place in a FORUm for DISCUSSION..they are ANNOUNCEMENTS.
It ain't rocket science...
And Nick, watch your tone...this ain't your site to give orders at and statements like 'Do X now' will only get people's backs up, understand?
The point is simple...
If the moderation and attitude here (which is becoming a case of 'look we are the power do as we say because it's a dictator ship') pushes away people like Nick or makes them feel unwelcome then it will be a significant loss, to this site and UK/European paintball. (unlucky but it won't push me away I'll always be happy to voice my opinions anyway
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Maybe you should place under the Tourny heading that this is a 'tournament discussion forum only'. But then isn't talking about a tournament discussing it? even if some people are saying thanks?
TJ you are not shy to give attitue to any and all, at least it means we are discussing stuff, and since we are discussing stuff about the tournament forum that makes it tournament discussion... just what you wanted, no?
Just because you have power doesn't mean you should weild it or shove it in people's faces.
Oh and TJ the mods may provide a service for free (no such thing as a free lunch, and no reason for them to do it poorly...) but don't insult us by making out that this board is provided free purely for our benefits.
Don't you realise that your customers are telling you what they want and what will make this board better? Or do you just not care because you are doing this service for free...
Your polite devils advocate.
manike
p.s. TJ obviously it's not rocket science... because in all honesty your logic stinks
TJ, Nicks post is a very typical way of speaking jokingly in England.
If the moderation and attitude here (which is becoming a case of 'look we are the power do as we say because it's a dictator ship') pushes away people like Nick or makes them feel unwelcome then it will be a significant loss, to this site and UK/European paintball. (unlucky but it won't push me away I'll always be happy to voice my opinions anyway
).Maybe you should place under the Tourny heading that this is a 'tournament discussion forum only'. But then isn't talking about a tournament discussing it? even if some people are saying thanks?
TJ you are not shy to give attitue to any and all, at least it means we are discussing stuff, and since we are discussing stuff about the tournament forum that makes it tournament discussion... just what you wanted, no?
Just because you have power doesn't mean you should weild it or shove it in people's faces.
Oh and TJ the mods may provide a service for free (no such thing as a free lunch, and no reason for them to do it poorly...) but don't insult us by making out that this board is provided free purely for our benefits.
Don't you realise that your customers are telling you what they want and what will make this board better? Or do you just not care because you are doing this service for free...
Your polite devils advocate.
manike
p.s. TJ obviously it's not rocket science... because in all honesty your logic stinks
Manike, please...my logic is faultless, Nick's use of caps and telling people what to do was brash and rude. Period.
You seem to misunderstand the difference between a discussion and a statement. 'Can so and so ring me' is not the basis for a discussion. 'Thanks to Dave for saturday' is not the basis for a discussion.
As for giving attitude in discussions, sure, no problem - I'm talking about Nick and P'd off giving attitude to moderators who are doing their job. Read Nick's post again - he's demanding the mods replace threads or do his job for him - like it's OUR fault he can't get in touch with someone...where the **** does someone get off doing that? Pure arrogance.
I've used this analogy before, so stop me if you've heard this, but these forums are like a bar. You may not agree with the choice of music on the jukebox, or the fact that the no-smoking area is miles from the bar, or that we don't have Bud on draft..fine. I understand that.
BUT understand that it's OUR bar. Everyone is welcome to drink here provided they follow a few not-very-draconian rules..if you don't like it, hell, choose another bar.
As for the 'customers telling us what they want'. line...bull****. Over the time this board has been running, of the now 2,700 or so members we have, do you know how many people we've had head-clashes with? Less than 15.
That's what, below o.5%?
This ain't about mod power, or us being *******s. As you so rightly point out, this is a business venture, and tha company running it has a vision and a business plan...do you not think it's a tad arrogant to suggest you know better than them? Cos that's what certain people seem to do...
Call me meek, but I wouldn't tell Bud Orr how to make a gun, or a bar manager how to run his pub, or a shoemaker how to build shoes...
You seem to misunderstand the difference between a discussion and a statement. 'Can so and so ring me' is not the basis for a discussion. 'Thanks to Dave for saturday' is not the basis for a discussion.
As for giving attitude in discussions, sure, no problem - I'm talking about Nick and P'd off giving attitude to moderators who are doing their job. Read Nick's post again - he's demanding the mods replace threads or do his job for him - like it's OUR fault he can't get in touch with someone...where the **** does someone get off doing that? Pure arrogance.
I've used this analogy before, so stop me if you've heard this, but these forums are like a bar. You may not agree with the choice of music on the jukebox, or the fact that the no-smoking area is miles from the bar, or that we don't have Bud on draft..fine. I understand that.
BUT understand that it's OUR bar. Everyone is welcome to drink here provided they follow a few not-very-draconian rules..if you don't like it, hell, choose another bar.
As for the 'customers telling us what they want'. line...bull****. Over the time this board has been running, of the now 2,700 or so members we have, do you know how many people we've had head-clashes with? Less than 15.
That's what, below o.5%?
This ain't about mod power, or us being *******s. As you so rightly point out, this is a business venture, and tha company running it has a vision and a business plan...do you not think it's a tad arrogant to suggest you know better than them? Cos that's what certain people seem to do...
Call me meek, but I wouldn't tell Bud Orr how to make a gun, or a bar manager how to run his pub, or a shoemaker how to build shoes...
Cool! You keep a hit list
How far am I from the top?
Nick's post was in my opinion quite restrained in how it was put across, for someone who is trying to use promoite paintball and use a service that he felt was here to help him. He typed in caps to raise his voice and make his point. Perfectly acceptable netiquette in my opinion. And he made well voiced points. (I get the impression some mods don't like people who have the ability to debate and argue back with reason and logic
)It may be possible you read it differently because words and expressions do read differently to the British and American public. I've found that many times.
And by the way you may have 2700 people joined, but what are the active poster numbers? That would make you figures more valid. How many have posted inthe last 3 months? i'd guess more like 300 or so judging from other boards I have been involved with and know the moderators/owners of).
Hey if you don't want to listen to your customers that's prefectly alright with me
I'll take a guinness please when you next go to the bar though...manike
Sorry dude...
But you ain't on tha list.
Regarding Nick, I happen to think that lines such as
"If this post is deleted, I will be making phone calls tomorrow & lets see what will happen! If u have a problem ring me 07710 426704"
Are waaaaaay outta line...I also happen to KNOW, as a result of phonecalls that got me outta bed way too early, that the guys in tha UK are not very impressed with Nick's tone to say the least, and that if he picks up the phone or puts in a mail to Matt Tudor, Steve Duffy or Ant Jones he'll find that out for himself. Some less than impressed people there...
Nothing to do with American/Brit differences Man, lots to do with common courtesy.
We do listen to every word and read every post, but we also have our own aims and vision which we will protect as and when we see fit, just like anyone else who runs their own business.
I mean, if we were so unbothered, why would we even enter into debate?
The fact is, we don't want to ban anyone, we want everyone to enjoy themselves here and we go to great pains to try and make that happen, so we like to think that when we do lay it on the line, people will show us the courtesy of allowing us to operate these boards as we see fit. It ain't much to ask...
But you ain't on tha list.
Regarding Nick, I happen to think that lines such as
"If this post is deleted, I will be making phone calls tomorrow & lets see what will happen! If u have a problem ring me 07710 426704"
Are waaaaaay outta line...I also happen to KNOW, as a result of phonecalls that got me outta bed way too early, that the guys in tha UK are not very impressed with Nick's tone to say the least, and that if he picks up the phone or puts in a mail to Matt Tudor, Steve Duffy or Ant Jones he'll find that out for himself. Some less than impressed people there...
Nothing to do with American/Brit differences Man, lots to do with common courtesy.
We do listen to every word and read every post, but we also have our own aims and vision which we will protect as and when we see fit, just like anyone else who runs their own business.
I mean, if we were so unbothered, why would we even enter into debate?
The fact is, we don't want to ban anyone, we want everyone to enjoy themselves here and we go to great pains to try and make that happen, so we like to think that when we do lay it on the line, people will show us the courtesy of allowing us to operate these boards as we see fit. It ain't much to ask...
Manike,
In this case there is no conflict with English/American views of how this post was made, afterall TJ read it and interpreted it!
Paul.
In this case there is no conflict with English/American views of how this post was made, afterall TJ read it and interpreted it!
Paul.
LOLOriginally posted by Paul_collier
Manike,
In this case there is no conflict with English/American views of how a post is made, afterall TJ read it and interpreted it!
Paul.
manike
Glad you got it!Originally posted by manike
LOL
manike
Paul.
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By the way guys, nice bar I like the decor!!
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