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JoseDominguez

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Biggest problem with this, is that the thread started as an argument between two people... then everyone jumped in. Lot's of nasty little comments, insults etc... not a lot to do with the original topic either. We've played the PA this year, every leg, in spite of being pretty outgunned and outmatched. We didn't pay in advance, but my word and the team name means a lot to me, so we stuck it out. Rather than run off for the hills bleating about how **** the PA is (we weren't up to it, simple as that). Fortunately I'd never shot my mouth off about dominating UK paintball, so it's been OK.
We aren't playing the PA next year, we are moving to other tournies, ones that don't require registration or a commitment to play every leg, we are going to have a relaxed year, enter varied squads into a selection of tournies (I had three squads at simply the best on Sunday). In short, we've made a team decision to play just for fun next year. So, we can leave, head held high, we comitted to a year (verbal only, we paid by the leg) and we played for a year. Reputation intact and we don't feel the need to have a go to justify the fact that we've left.
As for our reasons:
1) The PA was too steep a learning curve, just showing up to play wasn't enough.
2) The quick game turnarounds take the banter out of the day.
3) The consistency of the PA has meant we get to really spot the cheats, at the end of the day, we don't want to play against them. Other tournies, teams change, cheating is just the same, but you can't put a face to it.
4) We are only in it for a laugh.
So, to those players who left early, then jumped on the bandwagon..... why? (Not you Mad-Dog, you had concerns over safety and had the courage of your convictions).

So, four reasons that make the PA too much for us, but ideal for paintball as a sport...... speed, commitment, organisation, consistency and a serious attitude.
So, if you don't like it, don't play it. It's as simple as that. Lots of ballers out there, not sure why anyone feels the need to attack a specific tourney.
Actually, come to think about it, if anyone attacked any other tourney for say...... nets falling and torn netting compromising safety, poor quality air, theft from safe areas etc... etc.... then it's rapidly jumped on and squashed.
The minute certain people are involved, it's open season isn't it? I've had my fair share of disagreements with Hatts (even threatened to kill him once). But why is it OK to personally attack him? I mean really insult him on a forum? It doesn't happen to anyone else. And now that he's banned, what's the point anyway? It's like taking the piss out of France, it stopped being funny when everyone started doing it. That's just bullying.

And yes, we don't do well in football, rugby, cricket, tennis even paintball etc........ but I really, honestly, don't give a toss. I'm a teacher, I'm good at that, I play paintball for fun. Anyone else?
 
Originally posted by JoseDominguez


threatened to kill him once). But why is it OK to personally attack him? I mean really insult him on a forum? It doesn't happen to anyone else.
Dude, I dig your post but that bit is just sooooooooooooo not true; it happens to a lot of people. Mods have had it, players have had it, organisers have had it - lots of people have been slammed and, as I think it's probably been said before, he opened up tha thread with an intention to upset robo.

As the saying goes, If you open pandora's box, don't be surprised if pandas come out and bite you. Or something.
 
Originally posted by JoseDominguez
I mean, to this extent and with the thread going on for so long..... you know what I mean :)
I thought it had quite neatly gone away from Hats into general Brit bashing...I was busy patting myself on tha back for that deft drop of tha shoulder when you had to take it back tha other way.

You must really hate Hatts.
 

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Originally posted by JoseDominguez
Biggest problem with this, is that the thread started as an argument between two people...

Why is it that grates on me?

The way you have minimised it.....and in so doing defaulted to where the implication is, I am half to blame?
 
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Originally posted by TJ Lambini
Ain't nuttin wrong with a lil fishing Benjamin...;)

And if you think that post got me in ****, well, you need to get out more.

That said, although designed to get a response, I do happen to believe what I said. Looking at Paladin's impassioned post, which I really enjoyed reading cos tha boy has heart, is interesting...

Cricket: didn't y'all invent that? Haven't tha Aussies been whupping your ass for a lifetime? And I don't think you've won **** yet this summer as tha series ain't over.

Rugby: Didn't y'all invent that? Haven't the Antipodeans and the French been whupping your ass for decades, with tha odd notable exception?

Football: Didn't y'all invent that? Isn't it 40 years since you won anything? Anything at all?

Athletics: Didn't you just win 3 medals at the World Championships? Wow...

As for populations, then you guys have got what, 3 times that of Australia? Even more than that compared to New Zealand..didn't those gigantic megapowers Wales and Ireland finish above y'all in the last big rugby event?

No doubt there are some exceptional individuals with winning attitudes, but by and large, compared to America and Australia for starters, you attitude is poor. Hell, even in Paintball smaller countries with fewer players and resources regularly whup yo ass.
I never claimed that we were the best in the world and you're right we aint even been at the party where a lot of tournaments are concerned. However there are loads of reasons for this. Not just attitude.

I was merely making the point that to tar everyone with the same brush is wrong. There is loads of stuff going on at the moment in England to improve the grass roots of all sports.

Football: We are now ranked in the top 10 teams in the world. 10 years ago I think we were ranked 26th. The team now is full of young talented winners. Only being beaten in 3 competetive matches in 8 years shows that.

Cricket: If you'd have seen the faces of the aussies celebrating the fact that they managed a draw last night you'd know how dominant England are in this series. We are also ranked number 2 in the world. Again a vast improvement over 10 years ago.

Rugby: Up until very recently Rugby was a part time job for most of our players. Now that its full time we are world champions.

Yes we invented all of the above but we also made it availible to the rest of the world. Instead of calling ourselves world champions in a sport only we play.

Yes we have our losers. All countries do but just because we haven't won much compared to others in recent decades isn't down to a lacking the right attitude individually. There's a whole world of problems you wont know about nor understand.

We can breed winners, we've proven that. We just need to back our nations sporting heroes instead of looking to put them down every chance we get. Its that the annoys me about the british public not the attitude of those that compete.

tara
 
Originally posted by Paintball Paladin


We can breed winners, we've proven that. We just need to back our nations sporting heroes instead of looking to put them down every chance we get. Its that the annoys me about the british public not the attitude of those that compete.

tara
That was my point Tara, it's about your culture.

You know a lot about sport for a chick. Maybe some of tha guys in UK Ball should take a leaf outta your book.
 

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Originally posted by Paintball Paladin
I never claimed that we were the best in the world and you're right we aint even been at the party where a lot of tournaments are concerned. However there are loads of reasons for this. Not just attitude.

I was merely making the point that to tar everyone with the same brush is wrong. There is loads of stuff going on at the moment in England to improve the grass roots of all sports.

Football: We are now ranked in the top 10 teams in the world. 10 years ago I think we were ranked 26th. The team now is full of young talented winners. Only being beaten in 3 competetive matches in 8 years shows that.

Cricket: If you'd have seen the faces of the aussies celebrating the fact that they managed a draw last night you'd know how dominant England are in this series. We are also ranked number 2 in the world. Again a vast improvement over 10 years ago.

Rugby: Up until very recently Rugby was a part time job for most of our players. Now that its full time we are world champions.

Yes we invented all of the above but we also made it availible to the rest of the world. Instead of calling ourselves world champions in a sport only we play.

Yes we have our losers. All countries do but just because we haven't won much compared to others in recent decades isn't down to a lacking the right attitude individually. There's a whole world of problems you wont know about nor understand.

We can breed winners, we've proven that. We just need to back our nations sporting heroes instead of looking to put them down every chance we get. Its that the annoys me about the british public not the attitude of those that compete.

tara
Paladin, even the Isle of Man can produce winners but it's about numbers and if you look at the medal table from the Athletics World Championships, it illustrates the point we are all making.
Sure we got Paula Radcliffe and........now there's the point ya see, you'd think that from over 60 million people we might just have a few more than her.
In UK paintball, the mindset in question is endemic and is also fuelled by contentious issues such as petty jealousies, small-mindedness and so on but as TJ suggests, the Americans have a more positive take on success and I think this feeds back in on itself at the base level of their game, but for us…well I’m sure you know how that one goes, or in this case, doesn’t go.
 

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Originally posted by Robbo
Why is it that grates on me?

The way you have minimised it.....and in so doing defaulted to where the implication is, I am half to blame?
Nope, just pointing out that you made your point (doesn't matter if I agree or not)..... you had a point, then the bandwagon started to roll and the original thread was lost. Just like Mad Dog, he had valid concerns over ramping, that was turned into a slagging match (and not by him or Hatts either). It's hard to make your point when you can't be heard over the axe grinding individuals who aren't bothered either way about the actual point. (same goes for those who just defend without thinking too). Same here, argument is still going, even though Elvis has left the building. (Or should that be John Lennon, as Yoko still seems to be stirring up the other side in his abscence).
 
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Originally posted by TJ Lambini
That was my point Tara, it's about your culture.

You know a lot about sport for a chick. Maybe some of tha guys in UK Ball should take a leaf outta your book.
My name isn't Tara, I was saying ta ra which is a way of saying goodbye where I am from. (Preston, NW of England)

My names Chris and I am a bloke which is why I know a sad amount about sport.

But I do see what you're saying. There are attitude problems with us brits. But the people who compete do not lack the drive needed to win. Our problem is as a country how we treat these people. We villify them and try to find reasons to belittle their success.

Robbo, I do agree with what you are saying but there is a slight flaw in the numbers argument. The key I think isn't the number of people in a country but the number of people playing a particular sport. Which is something you've probably said. I'm sure I've read an article of yours where you discussed the reasons why and why not people take up tourney ball. More people need to be attracted to this sport and not discouraged by all the politics involved.

I've only been playing for two years. 16 months in tourney ball. I'll never be good enough individually but If I'd have been attracted 14 years ago as a 14 year old kid. I may have been. I dont think there is enough that goes on here in britain to encourage these kids to get involved for the long haul. Its too expensive to play regularly from a recreational point so it takes a long time to develop the skills required. Its too much about looking the part. you've gotta have the best marker. If you dont you get mocked. you've got to look the part etc etc.

Anyway I could go on for ages about the things I've seen in my short time and I've only scratched the surface. it does however face the same sorts of problems sports like basketball face here in britain. There isn't enough people playing it at ground level to be any good at senior level.

Cheers

Chris