Trigger Bounce (Russel)
- Thread starter Slim Clan
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one full pull and release = 1 ball fired.
Viewed differently by each marshal.........probably better of spending that time in the safe area checking for condoms on markers or making sure the palyers are gogged up where they should be.
If a player is hitting his bounce point and achieving a few extra shots isn't that technique? I can't do it.........so mebbe it should be accepted as a skill..... (different to a marker set so light it bounces with no help).
Viewed differently by each marshal.........probably better of spending that time in the safe area checking for condoms on markers or making sure the palyers are gogged up where they should be.
If a player is hitting his bounce point and achieving a few extra shots isn't that technique? I can't do it.........so mebbe it should be accepted as a skill..... (different to a marker set so light it bounces with no help).
Also, and i'm not saying that this has happened, power goes to some peoples heads, and they aggresively seek rule infringements. This happens in every sport, and is often not realised by the person doing it. I've seen perfectly sane and reasonable people, get totally militaristic when given a job which requires decision makig and rule enforcing.
My opinion, with a game such as this where saftey is a major issue there shouldnt be any occaion mechanically, technically where the Marshalls have to "make up on the spot" rules, different when it involves gameplay call for hits etc, but when it comes to guns and saftey issues we need something set in stone, and if such a thing already exsisits, make sure on field marshalls have a good understanding of this,
Also reckon that this will help the game progress having an industry standard to adhere to.
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Slim
My bad, meant the first, even so dont you reckon it would be better if we all knew, officially what the score was rather than worrying about what the Marshall decided is a Legal or Illegal gun?
Which I wasn't worried about before, now I'm not so sure.
Slim
If there are a set of rules to play by, then we should all have a copy tattooed somewhere vital.
No, seriously guys, if rules are there we should have the ability to see them. If the governing body requires us to abide by them, they must be visible at every tourney.
No, seriously guys, if rules are there we should have the ability to see them. If the governing body requires us to abide by them, they must be visible at every tourney.
I just read through the posts above and it looks like your looking for an answer that doesn't exist.
The problem here is that we as a paintball community do not have a standardised set of rules and in my opinion often ignore the wealth of experience that can be found in the more established and developed rule books.
I know there are moves to standardise the UK's tournament rulebooks and personally I can't wait for this to happen. I just hope that a great deal of attention is paid to the international series rules such as the Millennium Series when this is done. When the rules are standardised you may be able to get a definitive answer but until then you are going to continually find poor rules that are inappropriately interpreted.
The reason there is concern about trigger bounce is that it can cause artificially high rates of fire that exceed the ‘one shot one pull rule’. Right now the rules are trying to keep up with the technology used in the markers. With my marshals hat on I would be alerted by any marker that I believe is firing shots in excess of the number of times the trigger is pulled. If I then take the gun and squeeze the trigger resulting in burst fire the gun is illegal. I would apply common sense and have to feel that this could easily be repeated in a game. I would then consult with the field ultimate and in turn tournament ultimate and if it was deliberately set up, according to Millennium rules, would result in a player ban. A marshal is incorrect if he uses an implausible method to make the trigger bounce i.e. a method that the player could not use in a game.
More complicated methods can be used to test if a marker has a cheat on it to make it fire faster than one shot one pull. The most developed rules in this case are the X-Ball Nations Cup amended rules that come straight from the NXL, they describe a set of test procedures that can be used by a ref to see if the gun has a cheat, they would also find trigger bounce. Maybe you guys should check them out on the Millennium Web site. Of course they don't apply to domestic tournaments but do give an idea of the problems with electros.
In the mean time the most important thing is to make sure you don't set your trigger too short and sensitive. Generally you aren’t going to have real problems with trigger bounce unless 'you' set the gun up that way.
Toma in particular you need to check out some tourney rules! No offence dude, but you’ve got the wrong end of the stick. Got to www.millennium-series.com the rules there should give you the background you need.
I hope this helps,
Alan.............
The problem here is that we as a paintball community do not have a standardised set of rules and in my opinion often ignore the wealth of experience that can be found in the more established and developed rule books.
I know there are moves to standardise the UK's tournament rulebooks and personally I can't wait for this to happen. I just hope that a great deal of attention is paid to the international series rules such as the Millennium Series when this is done. When the rules are standardised you may be able to get a definitive answer but until then you are going to continually find poor rules that are inappropriately interpreted.
The reason there is concern about trigger bounce is that it can cause artificially high rates of fire that exceed the ‘one shot one pull rule’. Right now the rules are trying to keep up with the technology used in the markers. With my marshals hat on I would be alerted by any marker that I believe is firing shots in excess of the number of times the trigger is pulled. If I then take the gun and squeeze the trigger resulting in burst fire the gun is illegal. I would apply common sense and have to feel that this could easily be repeated in a game. I would then consult with the field ultimate and in turn tournament ultimate and if it was deliberately set up, according to Millennium rules, would result in a player ban. A marshal is incorrect if he uses an implausible method to make the trigger bounce i.e. a method that the player could not use in a game.
More complicated methods can be used to test if a marker has a cheat on it to make it fire faster than one shot one pull. The most developed rules in this case are the X-Ball Nations Cup amended rules that come straight from the NXL, they describe a set of test procedures that can be used by a ref to see if the gun has a cheat, they would also find trigger bounce. Maybe you guys should check them out on the Millennium Web site. Of course they don't apply to domestic tournaments but do give an idea of the problems with electros.
In the mean time the most important thing is to make sure you don't set your trigger too short and sensitive. Generally you aren’t going to have real problems with trigger bounce unless 'you' set the gun up that way.
Toma in particular you need to check out some tourney rules! No offence dude, but you’ve got the wrong end of the stick. Got to www.millennium-series.com the rules there should give you the background you need.
I hope this helps,
Alan.............
Hey Alan,
Thanks, for the info.
Heres a fun one to think about, fire a ball, gun bursts the ball, therefor is it a hit?
Not to be taken seriously.
Thanks, for the info.
Heres a fun one to think about, fire a ball, gun bursts the ball, therefor is it a hit?
Not to be taken seriously.