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[Missy Q]

Inflictor - I 100% agree with you.

If I was head judge (which by the way I would never want to be) then I would enforce every penalty in the case of verbal abuse to refs until it disappeared altogether.

 

[Red Ring Inflictor]

Originally posted by Missy Q
Inflictor - I 100% agree with you.

If I was head judge (which by the way I would never want to be) then I would enforce every penalty in the case of verbal abuse to refs until it disappeared altogether.

Thanks. Again I appreciate your valiant support of refs.

 

[Missy Q]

SEE Duffy's response. If it's in the rules it ain't cheating.

lol - yes, and if you were to put wiping into the rules that wouldn't be cheating either. That is my whole point. If every time a new cheat comes along we put it in the rules we will never have to worry about cheating....

 

[Baca Loco]

Originally posted by Missy Q
The fact that teams are getting caught with velocity ramping guns prove that it is occurring, rather than that it is being policed well. People get caught for ramping in the NPPL, but no-one seems to think it is well policed...

The 15bps is being stretched, the velocity ramping is optional rather than permanent (and so more difficult to catch), then there is the issue of break-out modes, which I do not believe are effectively policed (I could be wrong). Also, once you rely solely on technology and revert to a 'prove-it' mentality, I think you are getting into a dodgey area and setting a precedent that cannot be maintained. Whats next? Video evidence of playing on?

Studying ancient history, Missy? You peeps are talking about Miami when it was the old Infamous crowd for goodness' sake and while I agree there were instances of velocity ramping in the NXL after that well publicized incident(s) the NXL has taken action to stop.

15 bps isn't being stretched in the NXL because it is immediately apparent when it happens cus the refs have the means on the field at all times to check and they do. They are also doing a much more effective job with break out checks as you will routinely see refs step into the penalty box just prior to the buzzer so they can check breakout ROF.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by duffistuta
That was what I hoped you'd say Si, and I'm glad to hear it's still on the backburner. I would be interested to hear the NPPL's response, simply because your device calls for a cap (which IMO is an essential part of creating these new enforceable rules) and I think the NPPL will cntinue to fight against any notion of capping ROF.

It could be used to control just velocity if that's what they want.

I think controlling ROF at specific points in a game where cheating is more beneficial may be more acceptable... ?

 

[Beaker]

Originally posted by Missy Q
The fact that teams are getting caught with velocity ramping guns prove that it is occurring, rather than that it is being policed well. People get caught for ramping in the NPPL, but no-one seems to think it is well policed...

That's a twisted set of words if ever there was one.

People can walk up to the netting at an NXL game, watch and see guys with radar guns all over the pitch. They hear the guns all shooting at (audibly) the same speed and can talk to players / coaches from the NXL (like Baca) that say there isn't a problem.

They then walk up to an NPPL event, can see guys shooting way faster than they have a right to, including breakout modes, FA, ramping and faster than a human can fire guns all over the place. No radar, no visible enforcement except a trip to the robot every now and again, players complaining all over the shop.

Between the two, the NXL is being well policed better from everyone I've spoken to that's plays both and doesn't have an affiliation.

Legally, doesn't their demonstrable efforts count for something. If a claims assesor turned up to an NPPL event it wouldn't take much to go "sod this all those guns aren't semi"

 

[duffistuta]

Originally posted by Missy Q



The fact that teams are getting caught with velocity ramping guns prove that it is occurring, rather than that it is being policed well. People get caught for ramping in the NPPL, but no-one seems to think it is well policed...

Also, once you rely solely on technology and revert to a 'prove-it' mentality, I think you are getting into a dodgey area and setting a precedent that cannot be maintained. Whats next? Video evidence of playing on?

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1. Sorry, drew on an old example as evidence of what you, Pete and others are using in your arguments: i.e. prove that you can catch people doing it and penalise them, and they'll stop risking it. I have heard of no instances of ramping velocity since this incident, the implication being that it had ceased cos people knew they'd got caught.

2. I think that it's apples and oranges: i believe that the technology rules need to be absolutely ironclad and 100% provable, yes. Wiping, playing on etc could be adjudicated on by judges. Why? A variety of reasons but mostly because of the paradox I referred to in response to Pete earlier.

 

[manike]

Originally posted by Baca Loco
The only problem with this--and the one issue the true semi crowd never addresses--is defining true semi in today's electro gun environment. Since the top end markers aren't actually fired by pulling the trigger (which only initiates the firing sequence) and the actual operation is governed by programming that has a whole boatload of firing parameters built in the old definition is worthless. So, you can't judge what a person can shoot semi-auto until you codify what EXACTLY semi-auto is and isn't.

Baco, for years I've been trying to get a definition of semi auto that works and I can't see a way around. People don't seem to care about why it is so important though.

Originally posted by Missy Q
Inflictor - I 100% agree with you.

If I was head judge (which by the way I would never want to be) then I would enforce every penalty in the case of verbal abuse to refs until it disappeared altogether.

me too! You don't see any of that **** in rugby and it's beautiful to watch and play because of it.

 

[Missy Q]

Loco, Beak, Duff,
all 3 of you probably have a better idea of how the NXL is now policing the problem, so I will take on and accept what you say. Last event I went to was Chicago and though I did see far more happening in terms of policing there than in Pomona I still did not think the problem was solved. lemanski got knocked out at the 4th event and there was a story floating around that he was hit multiple times in the head at over 300fps. If that story is untrue (he did have to go to hostpital for scans) then it isn't true. Either way I concede the point.
If someone else is caught at the cup then I claim it back....

 

[duffistuta]

Originally posted by Missy Q

If someone else is caught at the cup then I claim it back....

So do you think the NPPL might bring in some tough foul and abusive legislation language and a mandate to enfoce it?