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Gyroscope

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"My only concerns with 'e-cockers' are timing issues, My old cocker used to slip out of time occasionaly and that was with it firing at relativley slow speeds now that the ability to fire alot faster is there doesn't this mean more timing hassles?

Also I notice alot of people commenting about speed and accuracy, Now I don't wanna piss on anyones parade here but they really aint that fast, certainly faster then a mechanical cocker but thats a given, but any decent open bolt will blow it away speed wise.
And isn't accuracy a by-product of consistancy & ball/barrel match?!?

Paul."

E-blades allow adjustment of all aspects of a cocker's timing to the millisecond. This includes the time the trigger must be depressed to be considered a trigger pull, time the sear is dropped, time from dropping the sear to the time the front of the ram is pressurized, the time before that pressure is released and the back of the ram is pressurized, the time the front of the ram is pressurized if the eye is on and doesn't detect a valid paintball in the breech, the amount of dead time between the end of the cocking cycle and the time a new ball may be fired, the amount of time the trigger must be released to be considered a valid trigger release, the amount of time the eye must see empty breech, and the amount of time the eye must see a paintball before signalling the cocking cycle to continue.

If you understand how to time an autococker at all, you can definitely time this. The only things the E-blade doesn't govern are the distance of the closed back block from the rear of the receiver, the length of the cocking rod, and the pressure of the LPR.

In reference to your last bit about accuracy being a product of Ball/barrel compatability, yes, that matters, but autocockers are very stable firing platforms. And little elves live in them that bless each ball an autococker shoots. Ask Ravi.

As far as the speed of my E-bladed cocker vs. a decent open bolt marker, I must assume you speak from prejudice. I must use the eye on mine because without it I often outrace my Halo. Do you do that with your Viking? I can't shoot a Viking that fast, but that's all in the trigger. E-blades are more adjustable, in all regards, including the trigger.

"Of course you can slap an Eblade on a standard cocker - but you are not surely saying that it will have the same performance as the Eclipsed Eblade Cocker? Or are you? Surely there is something beyond cosmetic enhancements to it? If not - hell, I'm ordering a bog standard cocker and e-blade! "- Benfrain

Go ahead. Consider getting an adjustable LPR and a delrin bolt, to reduce the cocking pressure and the weight of what you are moving around with that pressure. Eclipse cockers are prettier, though.

You also mentioned something in an earlier post about the pipes on the front being vulnerable. I have been shot in the front pneumatics often enough, but they haven't ever burst under pressure. Once, I had a hose that sounded like maybe it was leaking... I wasn't sure, but this was at WC and I had a game in 15 minutes. No problem, I popped a new section of hose on and went and played the rest of the tournament with no drama... wish I'd gotten an E-blade at Cup before they ran out. My point is, the hoses are fine. I play front and they haven't failed on any of my cockers in all the time I have played paintball (15 years). I have, however destroyed four hoppers and one barrel sliding into primary bunkers.
 

Collier

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Originally posted by gyroscope
"My only concerns with 'e-cockers' are timing issues, My old cocker used to slip out of time occasionaly and that was with it firing at relativley slow speeds now that the ability to fire alot faster is there doesn't this mean more timing hassles?

Also I notice alot of people commenting about speed and accuracy, Now I don't wanna piss on anyones parade here but they really aint that fast, certainly faster then a mechanical cocker but thats a given, but any decent open bolt will blow it away speed wise.
And isn't accuracy a by-product of consistancy & ball/barrel match?!?

Paul."

E-blades allow adjustment of all aspects of a cocker's timing to the millisecond. This includes the time the trigger must be depressed to be considered a trigger pull, time the sear is dropped, time from dropping the sear to the time the front of the ram is pressurized, the time before that pressure is released and the back of the ram is pressurized, the time the front of the ram is pressurized if the eye is on and doesn't detect a valid paintball in the breech, the amount of dead time between the end of the cocking cycle and the time a new ball may be fired, the amount of time the trigger must be released to be considered a valid trigger release, the amount of time the eye must see empty breech, and the amount of time the eye must see a paintball before signalling the cocking cycle to continue.

If you understand how to time an autococker at all, you can definitely time this. The only things the E-blade doesn't govern are the distance of the closed back block from the rear of the receiver, the length of the cocking rod, and the pressure of the LPR.

In reference to your last bit about accuracy being a product of Ball/barrel compatability, yes, that matters, but autocockers are very stable firing platforms. And little elves live in them that bless each ball an autococker shoots. Ask Ravi.

As far as the speed of my E-bladed cocker vs. a decent open bolt marker, I must assume you speak from prejudice. I must use the eye on mine because without it I often outrace my Halo. Do you do that with your Viking? I can't shoot a Viking that fast, but that's all in the trigger. E-blades are more adjustable, in all regards, including the trigger.

I don't have a Viking, I use an I-framed Impy, Just by the nature of operation an open bolt should be quicker.
Outrun a Halo??? so you have your eblade set to over 22bps? surely that would mean that it cycles that speed every shot which would mean you'd never be able to feed it?!?!?
Maybe I'm reading what you say wrong but AFAIK if you set the eblade to 20 bps every time the trgger is hit the marker cycles at that speed.
I know the eblade is extremely adjustable but thats not the point I was making about timing, I was refering more to the fact that cockers at least mine and plenty of others I've seen do slip out of time at a relativly low bps my point was at 13+ surely thats going to be a more regular occurance?

Paul.
:)
 

Ben Frain

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Hi Andy!

You going to Nottingham 2003? See you there if you are...

Question is though mate - would you sell your Dark IR3 for one? :D
 

Andy - Quest

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Hi Ben

Rumour has it we may be there.

So this is it your burst onto the tournament scene. Well I hope you all enjoy it and all the best.

To answer your other question mate eeeerrrrr maybe.

Will catch up with you next Sunday to see how its goin.

Latrz
 

Ben Frain

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Originally posted by Andy - Quest

So this is it your burst onto the tournament scene. Well I hope you all enjoy it and all the best.

Burst might be all it is! Just hope I make it to my first bunker - I'l be happy with that :D
 

Gyroscope

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"I can outshoot a halo on an eblade, just set the BPS to 25. then shoot at 3 bps.

Paul"

Ach du lieber!

You are right. I use classic mode, so the bolt stays back until I release the trigger. Otherwise I would never get a ball to feed when I don't use the eye. I will change the setting and have better luck and less to boast about. :eek:

Sorry if that all sounded pedantic. I believe in this product pretty strongly. As far as slipping out of time, I don't see how it could, the manual recommends a pretty specific kind of lug, and the rest is all down to things with threads not spinning around.

I guess I made an assumption about you shooting a Viking based on posts from another thread, Paul. And as you said on that thread, everyone thinks the marker they shoot is the best kind.