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TenaciousM

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but all ways remember you are not allowed to be a proud Englishman!!!!
drink your guiness on paddy's day wave your leaks on davids day but even think about getting out the cross on st Georges day and you are likely to get strung up by your local council for inciting racial hatred!!!!!
(but when engalnd play football feel free to wave it untill you bleed!!!!)
 

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oh mario.....hav i touched a sore subject!!!! no i dont suck..just proud of wot our grandparents and allied forces done for us.. i for one will not forget it...but maybe you hav a bit of french blood in you..i dont know:D but you have to agree the original post was funny:D :D
 

Mario

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your still not getting my post are you?

to say im not proud of both my grandfathers and great uncles efforts is frankly insulting to me. so let me make this quite clear - yes it is a sore subject. im proud to be british, im proud that british people laid down their lives to confront a common enemy, im proud of what people before me have done to protect our values.

what im not proud of is british people today using world war two as an excuse or a jibe against the french or any other european country because a)its just not funny and b)we alone did not win a war. Ive lived in germany and you know what? i could actually have a conversation with a german about the war and feel their great sadness and guilt (this is a 16 year old) in their voice.

i just wish the british teenage boys and men (cause lets face it thats who it is) would stop bothering to shout it out when we play football against them, when there's an argument between a european and an english man on a f*cking forum and whenevr there's a discussion about the english and french in general. Cause im guessing our grandfathers would be turning in their graves about us lording their victory over someone else today.
 

ChairChimp

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@Rob :cummon lets sharpen knives for a proper fight! Oh ok, lets just grow beards and chill then.

And if I want to get really picky

@ Buddha:

It has been reported that of all the nations under German occupation that Holland had the highest collaboration rate (around 51% if memory serves)

Afsluitdijk was indeed a great success for the Dutch. It isn't quite as you paint it, however. the Dutch marines did a superb job, but in this instance they were armed, forewarned and in the modern defences of the Afsluitdijk. To make the comparison to other Dutch defensive positions is a little naive. That said they fought incredibly well under intense german air and artillery bombardment and didn't break. I think it is fanciful to say that the Germans were massacred, they took heavy casualties indeed, but to my mind a massacre is something altogether different (Germans at St.Vith in Belgium for example), there being no survivors.

Sadder still, it was pretty much only the 82nd that took a beating at Nijmegen, by the time XXX corps arrived the American paratroops and their Dutch resistance helpers had done the bulk of the work, they were needed only to mop up pockets of resistance and offer tank support for the final bridge crossing. (no laughing matter but nothing compared to the struggle the 82nd went through).

As for the liberation of Holland being in the larger part a Canadian affair, you are at least partly correct. :) Canadian infantry and armoured divisions were used to spearhead many of the operations in and around Holland in order to allow other divisions time to rest but also to improve the fighting ability of what command saw as 'weaker' divisions. The Canucks definately weren't and proved this throughout their campaigns, but as lead elements were credited with liberating many a Dutch town. I prefer the term 'liberated by the Allies'.


Here endeth the sermon.

Likewise,

See, see what you've gone a made me write now! How sad I really am.


:rolleyes: :)

Chimp

edited for appalling spelling
 

Rosie

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Originally posted by robtattoo
Peace & love people, peace & love. Lets all just get together & gang up on the Welsh instead!!! :D :D :D
Haha I agree, we havent had a good fight with the Welsh for ages, not since we killed their Prince, pulled down their palaces and terrorised and oppressed their people a few hundred years ago.....ready to go again?


....Did you know that Stalin added on the amount of people HE killed (in the purges and in the gulags) onto the official war-dead?

As many as 20 million may have died during the purges of the 30s 40s and 50s, and he added at least some of that number onto the war dead, the number given to Europe when reparations were being decided on

....but that was Stalin, the $*@~#


you cant have communism without someone quicky emerging as a dictator, of facist proportions. its interesting to see that a number of more modern dictators have modelled themselves on him (see S.Hussein, Chairman Mao etc etc)

Originally posted by Mario
what im not proud of is british people today using world war two as an excuse or a jibe against the french or any other european country because a)its just not funny and b)we alone did not win a war. Ive lived in germany and you know what? i could actually have a conversation with a german about the war and feel their great sadness and guilt (this is a 16 year old) in their voice.

i just wish the british teenage boys and men (cause lets face it thats who it is) would stop bothering to shout it out when we play football against them, when there's an argument between a european and an english man on a f*cking forum and whenevr there's a discussion about the english and french in general. Cause im guessing our grandfathers would be turning in their graves about us lording their victory over someone else today.
God thats so true
 

mako7

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be proud of the efforts of your grandparents. but it had nothing to do with you.

you're abusing the french? i think it says more about us that 60 years on we still feel the need to define ourselves as the plucky islanders who defeated a monster...

its sad.