The Early Monday Poll: Reunification?

[Chicago]

Now now, no reason to be jealous just because someone else gets the official word before you do....

As I said before, I was absolutely sure reunification was dead, and you were absolutely sure it was still under discussion, and one of us was wrong.

You're absolutely right that I was chastized for having no idea what I was talking about - by people who apparently were not as much "in-the-know" as they thought they were.

 

[Missy Q]

Chicago - There was no official word, and come to think of it, there is still no official word. Hence your scolding, and the reason you are still wrong to call anything 'official'.
Learn from your mistakes grashopper.

 

[Chicago]

There is no reunification for 2006. It's dead. Not going to happen. Absolute certainty. It's been dead for over 2 weeks, and I've been saying it's been dead for 2 weeks.

Are you saying that my information is bad because reunification is still a possibility, or are you just objecting to my information because you don't like my vocabulary usage?

You can spend all day defining words to definitions that are convenient for you, and if you want to define "official" as meaning "There's a press release about it", then fine, although that defeats the purpose of getting information prior to the press release. But the fact is, you've spent the past two weeks saying reunification was still under discussion, that I have no idea what I was talking about, that you knew what was REALLY going on, etc, etc, and...

You were full of it.

Attacking my use of the word "official" when it's become obvious that reunification is dead, and has been dead, despite your "informed" opinion to the contrary, is just sour grapes.

Or are you STILL maintaining that reunification might happen?

 

[Missy Q]

I am maintaining that it might happen. I don't think there is much chance at this stage, but if you are asking me if I am 100% sure of failure then no, I am not. If you are asking me if it is official, then no, absolutely not.

Information that you get before an official statement is known as 'unofficial'. Therefore if you had said "It's unofficial, reunification is dead", there would be little I would or could have said. So I suppose it is your use of vocab that is the issue, yes.

And I am never 'full of it' Chicago. I don't lie or mislead. You can read what I have posted again if you like, and you will see that as the case.

If you feel that you should celebrate oneupmanship then go ahead. I think its detrimental that there was no merger and see no cause to celebrate. I think it would have been a terrific and very progressive year if it had happened, and I am a little saddened that it looks doomed to failure, at least for 2006.

And 'official' needs no definition. It has a definition. It can only be used one way, and that is not the way that you used it. Not that its a big deal particularly.

 

[Chicago]

OK, then I agree with you, except that I don't think reunification would be beneficial.

I expect we will see a lot of forward movement preceisely because of the increased competition that is going to result over the next year because there is both no reunification and still a limited amount of sponsor money being fought over.

I'm hoping this may also be the kick in the pants that gets the promoters to seriously look outside the industry for more money.

What beneficial changes did you expect to happen as a result of reunification?

 

[Missy Q]

there were exciting plans for the merge. The concentration of industry funding would have allowed for 2 new venues with HB-type exposure. The fact that everyone would be heading in the same direction would have added double the momentum that has so far been enjoyed. There would have been challenges inside the mutual organisation that would have stretched people and encouraged more aggressive attacks on outside sponsors. The whole operation would have been smoother and slicker. Teh Pro spectacle would have been more marketable and Pro Paintball itself would have been doubly marketable, and doubly marketed (in the same place), which in turn helps with outside sponsors.

I disgree with you that we will see great things next year. I think that people are now working towards an 07 merger, and if that is the case then we will see a season of no change. A stagnant season which holds everyone and everything back for 12 unecessary months. The best we can hope for is that one of the 2 groups decides 'Fxck merging, we will just kill them this year and be done with it'. And thats not much to hope for, more back-biting, less co-operation, more industry squabbles, and all the usual ****. I think its time for that to end, but then I don't enjoy the political drama as much as you do, I just want to be successful at what I do, and I want my friends to be successful also. We are the ones to make a better day, so lets start living.

OK, I threw that last bit in for the Loco, but you know what I mean.

ps - I woul dhave voted 'all of the above'

 

[Dannefaerd]

So the questions now have to be ... (and I doubt we'll see an answer from those involved) ...

1. why did re-unification fall over? (Logistics, personalities, etc?)
2. what format (7, X, X-lite, something else) was ACTUALLY mooted as part of re-unification
3. was there fundemental agreement between the two leagues that re-unification has to happen ... and that they WILL be working towards it for 2007?

Please feel free to add to these questions ...

M

(mods - not sure if this should be a new thread or not)

 

[Chicago]

I think the practical answer is:

Miami was sub-par, and many vendors did a lot better financially at Cup than Miami, and paintball people have short memories.

Had discussions occured in the environment just prior to Cup, reunification probably would have happened.

I disagree with Missy; we won't have 12 months of stagnation, we'll have 10 months of the various parties trying to get the better negotiating position for the next time around.

 

[Baca Loco]

Missy--just like a woman the first thing you mention is money. Or its lack. And that same direction everyone would have been headed in--I believe lemmings do that sort of thing, too.
And then there's the 'spectacle' business. That one has bad connotations for me when applied to competitive paintball. I prefer Sport. Nothing wrong with a pretty package of course unless it's empty and I sometimes get the feeling there is more interest in the flavor than the substance--but that could just be my Xball bias.

I also think your fighting, squabbling and drama is Chicago's competition and depending on where you stand on the Paintball spectrum reflects how you view the same things. Apparently I'm standing closer to Chicago.

 

[Chicago]

Except Chicago knows how to spell "your"

But I'd characterize Missy and I as having a heated discussion.

Which Missy is losing, of course.