Tha Thursday Poll: Who's Gonna Win Malaga?

[Collier]

Originally posted by Wadidiz
I don’t think so.

You were present in the discussions here after Bitburg. We caught illegal pro guns during that tournament. In one case the gun was shooting full auto during the game; in the other (Dynasty) a gun seemed to be ramping. We suspended the player and the game was forfeited in the first instance and in Dynasty’s case only the game was forfeited because we felt that the violation was much less severe. This was in accordance with the rules we used at that time. (You can read my explanation in the PGI article about this tournament.)

After Bitburg we amended the rules to give an automatic suspension in addition to the forfeit when an illegal gun is caught during game time.

Bitburg was the first tournament of the season and the first with me as ref manager. I was new to the job, the pro reffing program was new, we had new pro head refs and the gun problem had mushroomed during the off season. Of course we were going to have teething problems and we obviously learned a lot and have since continued to improve our procedures.

If you or anyone else can tell me how we could do it any better without the proper testing instruments then I’m all ears. I think any observer would say that there has been no lack of effort on my/our part.

In case you didn’t notice you’re starting to chap my ass. Blaming me for some team not making the cut! Get real!

Your remark borders on slander and if you’re the gentleman I think you are then you should retract it because it is totally false and without ground.

I recall from the times we discussed this here earlier that you challenged me to do the right thing and wrote, “...make us proud, Steve”. I’ve kept that in my head this whole season.

Another thing is that it would be a big help if the gun manufacturers would quit releasing products that bounce as soon as you look at them.

Steve

Much love to Steve, especially after Campaign. If you can't proove it, it makes sh&* hard no matter what you say!

Paul

 

[Collier]

Originally posted by Intheno


Dynasty's case is not the same as the TonTon. They ghave secured a place in the league, and are now using those same players to get another spot. Look past your unfaltering loyalty to your own sponsors and put yourself in the shoes of Tom Cole, Robbo, Ron Kilbourne, Magued.

Your opinion would no doubt be different if your own team were currently 17th, in fact I would bet that you would be one of the more vocal protestors....

QFT!!!!!

Paul


ps Nick it was me an Matt who beeped you on Thurday when you were in the middle of the road in surrey!!

 

[Wadidiz]

Inthedark,

You said I decided to let Dynasty's bouncing guns go unpunished thus "letting" them take some misfortunate team's place among the blessed 18.

Don't ignore this. Take back the lie.

 

[Intheno]

I say it how I see it Steve, or rather how I read it on these very pages. Time heals, but it doesn't delete things altogether.

There are reasons for everything, there are explanations, but the end result is the same isn't it. I am not anti Steve Morris, anti Millennium or even anti-Dynasty. I just don't feel the rules have been put in place that prevent unfair practice. I see the Bitburg incident where the chrono-ref was changed and 2 teams allowed to play with illegal markers as having an impact on the current situation with entourage. Do you disgree?

I also know Steve is a guy with integrity and a big concience. Don't se this as an attack, we can't go back in time, but it has impacted the points in the NPPL, and that is my point.

Steve, If you want an apology for getting you riled up then you can have one (Sorry Steve) but unless you can tell me that the NPPL points were not effected by that German incident, I don't feel I need to apologise for bringing it up, however much you may want it to remain in the past.

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Intheno
I say it how I see it Steve, or rather how I read it on these very pages. Time heals, but it doesn't delete things altogether.

OK then you're confirming your slanderous accusations? Is your conclusion that I show favoritism to Dynasty owing to your all-to-apparent Dynasty hate?

If you're going to accuse an official in the PB community of unethical practices and basically violating the very job she or he was hired for then I think it's about time you quit hiding.

Reveal yourself or you will be revealed.

 

[Intheno]

There is no Slander Steve, climb down. You have your panties in a twist.
I read your posts about Bitburg, I see no anomolies between what I am saying and what you yourself said.
My question is (again) do you disagree? If you do, then explain how the decision in Germany did not affect NPPL points. If you do not disagree then you have no point.
I do not think you show 'favoritism' to Dynasty and I did not say that, you are being overly defensive now,and that could even work against you...
Stop accusing me of hating and answer the simple question.

So do you agree and disagree?

PS - about the quit hiding/reveal or be revealed comment. My answer is NO. I suggest you leave it at that.

 

[sykesg]

Arsenal & XSV 1st & 2nd

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Intheno
I see the Bitburg incident where the chrono-ref was changed and 2 teams allowed to play...

My respect for you has just dropped a couple of more notches. You prove with your statement above that you haven't even bothered to read my explanation of what really happened in PGI, here and on PbNation. You just attacked my person and position quite lightly while hidden behind your tag.

You have a point: some mistakes I made could probably be put together to radically change the outcome of the universe!

F#€! Some clinically depressed paintball player will wind up losing his family or committing suicide because I screwed his team out of their rightful place in the Fold. And all because I didn't spend enough time thinking through how everything would be at the tournament and didn't do a good enough job communicating with all the refs the exact procedure we would follow. And I wasn't a strong enough leader or because it took me a few seconds longer than it should have perhaps to figure out what was going on and fix it. And some PB schmuck suffers.

Thank you for bringing me back to Western Thinking! It isn't true that we can slip into the universal lake without making a ripple! Our actions and omissions have gigantic impact.

Of course I've made several mistakes or wrong decisions this year. Who's perfect. And some of the mistakes that our judging team made this year no doubt will have an impact on the future of some teams.

But, for the record, what you don't know about what you wrote above is that it took me far too long to figure out that the chrono judge wasn't following the procedure. He was artificially inducing bounce. I later found out he wasn't even supposed to be checking guns for bounce. So what the crowd saw was us letting in bouncy guns. What really happened was that the head field judge and I realized the problem and started doing what was supposed to have been done all along: the head ref was supposed to do the gun test. That was Andy Scutt. He held the gun in a true shooting position and most of the guns didn't bounce. I think he stopped one or two.

Since Bitburg we have improved our procedures greatly although we really need a robot and radar speed guns.

Now we know where we stand.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Wadidiz
OK then you're confirming your slanderous accusations? Is your conclusion that I show favoritism to Dynasty owing to your all-to-apparent Dynasty hate?

If you're going to accuse an official in the PB community of unethical practices and basically violating the very job she or he was hired for then I think it's about time you quit hiding.

Reveal yourself or you will be revealed.

I actually know this guy and believe me Steve, he is always revealing himself.... usually to young school girls !

 

[Wadidiz]

Originally posted by Intheno
My question is (again) do you disagree? If you do, then explain how the decision in Germany did not affect NPPL points.

Let's play "what if" history. What if David Oshel, the head field judge, had suspended the Dynasty player? Does that automatically mean that they would have lost their following games? They did have at least one spare player.

As for letting them play with illegal guns during a game in the quarter or semifinals that's bull****. Andy Scutt didn't let any guns on the field that were illegally bouncing.

Originally posted by Intheno I do not think you show 'favoritism' to Dynasty and I did not say that...

You're right on that point. You just said I "decided" to allow Dynasty players to use illegal guns. So even if unintentional it still favored Dynasty according to you. So I was guilty of a lesser offense.

Originally posted by Intheno that could even work against you...

Sorry, condescending tones tend to be counter-effective on me.

Originally posted by Intheno
answer the simple question. So do you agree and disagree?

Strongly disagree.