surely disciplining a whole team for a few idiots is'nt fair

[Buddha 3]

Good to see that some hardcore punishment has been dished out. This could ofcourse have gone all the way up to criminal charges.
Nice one, and much respect to the people enforcing this!

By the way, I agree with not punishing the entire team.

 

[goose]

My man Maggot is right - again...

Firstly, speaking for the new Disciplinary committee - there has been absolutely no decisions made on anything yet. So anyone who says different needs to sit back and chill, as Angel says everything is alledged right now - and trust me we are investigating very thoroughly.

Second, speaking for myself. My views on the matter ar as follows, if the incident is small and there can be an easily identifiable culprit then the individuals will be held accountable. However if the incident is large - and many from one team are involved, or there is a case where people are covering and/or won't come forward then the team will be held responsible. If you can't control your teammates then someone else has to. If someone else has to, then you may not like the consequences. We are all grown-ups, and can and should be held responsible for your actions. But let me stress, that I don't think any of us have any interest in punishing "non-guilty" people, just getting to bottom of what happens.

The biggest problem facing our sport is the "court of public opinion". Sure footballers get drunk & trash hotels, so do basketball players, hockey players etc., but the biggest difference is the fact that these are recognized sports and they don't shoot guns. When you are the new kid on the block, you can't get anywhere doing things like the others do, you have to do it better & cleaner until you have reached the point of being able to get away with it.

Let me assure you that the new disciplinary committee is not on a crusade, nor are we going to penalize people just for the sake of setting examples.
All decisions will be make public - either by myself, or one of the others.
All decisions will be made only on available facts - not on heresay - and these facts will be available to anyone who asks, after the process has be completed.
All decisions will be fair, but not necessarily popular.

Lastly, at this point in time what happens in regards to play & the running of the competiton is the domain of the rules committee. Anything that has to do with player conduct - at the site, at the hotels or anywhere players might give the game a "black eye" - falls under the disciplnary committee. So we don't want to hear about anybody wiping, playing on etc. (oops I forgot nobody here does any of that anyway )

I hope this clears some things up, there will be a proper posting coming soon, in regards to what we are attempting to do, and also what penalties will be handed down for what.

Any questions, please feel free to contact me.

goose

P.S. Robbo - new stuff has come to light, and situation may not be as "cut and dried" as we first thought.

 

[angel]

i agree nick

thank you for your input every one .
and look forward to the forming of the commitee on disciplin .
cheers
angel
p.s.
let's play fair

 

[Dannefaerd]

Dannefaerd:

I assure you, if Man United thrashes their hotel rooms, the whole team will be penalised !

It's too easy for people to say "it wasn't me"...... even if they are watching without interfering when someone does stupid ****.

That has to stop.

Nick - agree completely. The point I was trying to make was that when one person commits an offence, the whole team should not be punished.

 

[Dannefaerd]

The point is, that in the future, people should feel obligated to step in and stop disciplinary problems, because it may otherwise affect themselves.

Today, people can just "not care", and get away with it.

Nick - yep, we're on the same page.

But the only problem I see (and it could only be minor) is where do you stop assigning discipline? I mean, Liz (sorry, but I am just using you as an example) knew that there was a mess made on the first night at Max Masters ... but she wasn't in a position to do anything about it ... in view of that should she be subject to the same discipline?

Just some food for thought/a chance to discuss this in depth.

 

[TheRo0sTer]

Sorry guys I moved it here...

I know it is related to tourneys but not any specific tourney! Plus you will get a greater response to it!

 

[Tyger]

now you see, if there was a player's association that forced it's members to sign a code of conduct, any situation like this could be avoided or at least be dealt with in black and white.

True, I don't know much about the incident in question, but I've heard enough stories from other hotels in the last 8 years of paintball that they're all alike. Team plays paintball, team goes out after playing paintball, team gets drunk, player or two that can't control tehmselves trash a room, or break a vase, or otherwise do something that isn't appropriate for athletes in a hotel to do...

Nothing new here. Same paintball mentality of the weekend party with some paintball thrown in.

-Tyger (Cynical? Moi?)

 

[Buddha 3]

It's not a paintball specific problem.
Get a bunch of men together and feed them beer and such, and a number of them will get rowdy (damn hormones). I've seen the same thing with all sorts of different sports as a background, but we must make sure that excesses like these are dealt with. Particularly because, by and large, paintball still has a bit of a gung ho/weekend warrior/rambo wannabe image in the eyes of the common unwashed masses!

 

[Tony]

Personally, I like the idea of the team suffering for the sake of one person cheating.

Why I hear you ask? Well, One person gets banned, the rest of the team can continue to play, so it doesn't affect them a massive deal, especially in a 7 or 10 man event.

If one player deliberatly and obviously cheats, and his entire team is penalised, either by missing games or whatever, aren't they going to go ballistic with this one player? Isn't that better? If it's made clear to him and his team that cheating teams are not tolerated, then surely they can convince him to stop.

If some judge he doesn't know say's he can't play the next game, then he may not be overly bothered. If his captain explains to him that the reason they had to sit games out was because of his cheating, and if he does it again, he's cut, then he will stop.

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by Tony
Personally, I like the idea of the team suffering for the sake of one person cheating.
Why I hear you ask? Well, One person gets banned, the rest of the team can continue to play, so it doesn't affect them a massive deal, especially in a 7 or 10 man event.
If one player deliberatly and obviously cheats, and his entire team is penalised, either by missing games or whatever, aren't they going to go ballistic with this one player? Isn't that better? If it's made clear to him and his team that cheating teams are not tolerated, then surely they can convince him to stop.
If some judge he doesn't know say's he can't play the next game, then he may not be overly bothered. If his captain explains to him that the reason they had to sit games out was because of his cheating, and if he does it again, he's cut, then he will stop.

Tony, innocent peole can never be made to pay the penalties of the guilty, no matter which way you wanna wrap it up, this would fly in the face of all known tenets of law and justice in all civilised countries in all situations.
Think again young man !!!!
Robbo