surely disciplining a whole team for a few idiots is'nt fair

[angel]

now i know that will cause a few people problems .
but hey lets look at it.
why should a few bad apples in a team (no names mentioned)
spoil it for the rest of that team???
surely the best way to resolve this is already in the hands of the organiser's.
i.e. the new i.d cards in the millenium series.
withdraw the offending players card's and ban them from holding another for how ever long the ban is in place.
now i don't want to upset any one by my ideas, but hey like i said a whole team for only a few players mistakes, it's surely not fair.
lets not go down the line of tarnishing everyone with the same brush.
because i feel that is the road to ruin.
all sensible opinions would be appreciated.
thank you
angel

 

[angel]

very good points nick

i agree strongly with the points raised and feel that if a understanding commitee would listen to the arguement then the point that you raised about transferring out would be possible.
i also have to disagree to a certain point.
why should any one have to leave the team , which in some cases there could of been with for years all because of the bad few.
surely if we are to take this much loved sport to a higher level we should adopt some of the rules of other sports .
i.e match bans, suspensions, or in extreme case's expulsion.
i understand your point of if you are there and could of stopped it you should of.
But surely that could tear a team apart.
peer presuure is a powerfull thing and nobody wants to be singled out a boring git or a stick in the mud.
which brings me back to were i started surely the individuals should be hunted out and penalised not the team??.
by saying this i no way justify yobbish behaviour of any type off or on the field

 

[bartmanmark]

both you guys are making some very good points, i read some time back that the there are expulsion rules (could be ukpsf??) for such things like phyisical violence on the field (which ive nearly seen happen before!!!!) but yes it does seam a little wrong to punish the whole team but i would have thought this would help to sort out the offenders... if i were captain of team and i had one player who persisted in breaking the rules i would ask him to leave... ????? after all the whole team is being discedited by that one individual..


bartman
mr meaner

 

[markh]

I agree with angel, individuals should be banned not teams. For each person you ban, there must be sufficient evidence of their misdemeanour - innocent until proven guilty. A few stupid individuals acting of their own free will, should not ruin it for the rest of the team, although for some teams having a few players banned effectively bans the entire team.

During Max masters I experienced a number of incidents of loutish behaviour from paintballers of many nationalities staying at the Hotel Eifel Stern, most of this took place in the evening and early morning. This is nothing to do with us being "Extreme" sports people, more to do with bad manners, lack of self control, too much drink and just not thinking about the image of paintball we are presenting to the public. The majority of paintball players are well behaved, but a few individuals spoil it for everyone.

One lesson to be learnt from this room trashing incident, is to let team mates book their own rooms and leave their own credit card number, then if a person trashes their room, they pay, not the poor person who had the misfortune of block booking the rooms for the team... Of course rooms should not be trashed by anyone.

It is unfortunate that the organisers of tournaments have to take measures to police players outside of actual playing hours - they have enough to do with organising and running the tournaments. However, if a few bad apples are allowed to tarnish the already slightly dodgy image of paintballers we all suffer.

The alleged room trashing incident, should not be used as a smoke screen to hide the rule trashing incident that occurred with the ton tons at Max Masters.

 

[FAMINE]

Way i see it is this,

Team game = Team ban

Gotta be harsh to stamp this kinda stuff out.

Yes it has to be backed up with evidence and rules laid down for length of ban etc.

But if the penalty is high, people will think twice before commiting the offence.

If someone over heats and gets themselves banned, they think oh well, at least i did what i wanna do.

They do the same when the whole team is included in the ban and by christ they will think twice. And the team would think twice about letting their raging bull off the lead. Make it the teams problem, Not the marshalls or organisers problem.

You mess up as a team, you go home as a team.

 

[Magued]

What?

First of all who have said anything about punishing a whole team?
And second what do you mean with

"The alleged room trashing incident, should not be used as a smoke screen to hide the rule trashing incident that occurred with the ton tons at Max Masters."

Markh that`s lame...


Magued

 

[angel]

i feel i have to say something

first .
the hole it is down to the team the team to sort out individual bad behaviour.
yes if its in your power you should.
what if you wer no were near or was'nt aware of the incident ???
should the player then be held responsible for the incident.
it a tough one to say.
you have to be tough but you have to be fair.
difficult balancing act.
i think we all agree.

as for the comment that its lame.
all i can say is HEY WHAT U TALKING ABOUT.
i think someone has used the idiotic behaviour of a select handfull of players not an entire team.
to make a example.
no i do not think there behaviour was acceptable, far from it .
but the incident as far as im concerned is only alleged.
has any one on this forum seen inside these rooms.????
if you have and can speak from first hand experience then i welcome your input.
but untill that point, it is alleged.
have we gone back to a witch hunt here.???
what ever happened to being innocent till proven guilty.
thank you angel

 

[Robbo]

What?

Originally posted by Magued
First of all who have said anything about punishing a whole team?
And second what do you mean with
"The alleged room trashing incident, should not be used as a smoke screen to hide the rule trashing incident that occurred with the ton tons at Max Masters."
Markh that`s lame...
Magued

Mag, he has a point though mate !!!!

 

[Dannefaerd]

Yeah, right.

Why should we have team bans in place for offences in Paintball - I can't think (off the top of my head) of any other sport in the world that does that ....

I mean c'mon ... can you see David Beckham committing an offence that means he is suspended for three matches and having all of Man U suspended as well (or Marshall Faulk for you Yanks)

It's is just not realistic or fair.

I agree 100% that the players involved in an incident should be punished ... but the quote should be "team offence - team banned" not "team sport = team banned"

Cheers
Marty

 

[Robbo]

Originally posted by FAMINE
Way i see it is this,
Team game = Team ban
Gotta be harsh to stamp this kinda stuff out.
Yes it has to be backed up with evidence and rules laid down for length of ban etc.
But if the penalty is high, people will think twice before commiting the offence.
If someone over heats and gets themselves banned, they think oh well, at least i did what i wanna do.
They do the same when the whole team is included in the ban and by christ they will think twice. And the team would think twice about letting their raging bull off the lead. Make it the teams problem, Not the marshalls or organisers problem.
You mess up as a team, you go home as a team.

Famine, sorry mate, blanket bombing has never been popular with me, the guys who did that **** are now gone, they won't be allowed to play for their old team again nor in the Millennium for one year, so it pretty much sees them off for good.
One of the party, I think cops a one tournament ban though he was not directly involved in the damage done.
Punish those who did it and not the innocent lest we really get into some **** situations.
Team game does not equate to team responsibility in matters like this I'm afraid and justly so!
Robbo