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Originally posted by Red_Merkin
the pink paint is the Zap that storm shoot.
It's the most evil paint i've ever seen.
utter rubish matey! you had better have proof of this accusation cos we have shot 1000's this season and not had one complaint!

we use it in training and no team tops have been stained ever and it was even demonstrated to Sparklie at the last M25 on a white towel and it washed out with just water.

if you dont like our non staining paint on your shirts then get better and dont get shot buy us so much!!:rolleyes:
 

IanC

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Original Post

Well having just gone back to the original Thread, and the post that started it by NPP, it seems to say what It always did.

My complaint was about stains to a playing top, a pair of dye playing trousers, and as I stated in this thread some marks on my ATC's. The atc's I can live with, if there's anything thats gonna get rolled in paint its foot wear, no gripes there. I raised the point about the atc's merely as an example of how potent this paint must be if it can stain hard plastic.

I was however a little bit Pi$$ed at getting stains on a new top and pair of trousers. Also if I knew who's paint had stained my top I could complain to them, as I don't know and neither did my team mate as many teams shoot pink paint we asked on the forum, not unreasonable.

Laterz

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As the staining paint thread seems to be going on, I suggest the people doing the posting do a little research and they might find out a few interesting things about how all paint reacts with other materials.

The arguments of staining have gone on for years and every new generation of Paintballers believe they will change the face of the
game when they discover a spot on a plastic item.

Generally it is considered Pink, Blue and white balls stain. In reality it is all he same chemical it is just the dye that is different. It is not like orange juice and Lemon juice where two fruits are used it is more like Two Oils like Shell and BP, same junk processed different. The process that puts high colours Pink, white Blue is more prone to reaction on various poly chemicals. Greens and Yellow may react to lower density poly's like paint on a leather Belt, nylon stitches in a battle pack etc.

The fact is all paint will stain given the right time and chance on the right surface made by every manufacturer = don't wash you kit properly and promptly you may have a stain on it.

Nickel will react to any dye but what we do not realise is there is Nickel in almost every cosmetic metal we use even it was just a
trace to allow anodising to take. The Paint on your Car or the Strap on your watch may all contain nickel and could stain in time
with any Paint. But the same can be said for Blue icing Sugar, yoghurt and milk shake ever notice those marks pigeon crap leaves on your car if you don't wash it off straight away.

Also spectators should not be getting hit with paint, if you play expect to get paint on you, if you're not playing you shouldn't get any paint on you - but lets assume you do, how the hell would you know what brand, let alone where it came from when there are games in progress on multiple fields. No doubt you have seen people who have picked up the odd paintball off the ground and are squeezing it between their fingers how do you know it didn't come from something like that. Wasn't there a recent reported incident about a player shooting players out of a tournament whilst sitting in a bush away from the field could have come from something like that too I suppose?

I'd also be interested to know how many people doing these postings (saying ban certain colours of paint, use particular brands only, etc.) are involved with the sale, distribution or promotion of paint. Are they being objective or is it more to do with market share?
 

IanC

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Interesting

Well you learn something new everyday.
And to answer your question I am not involved in paint retail or distribution, have no particular ties to any company, play on an unsponsored novice team so I have no bias.

I would just like to know why, suddenly I have started getting stains on my kit when I didn't before? So i've only been playing tournaments for 2 years but before that I played walk-ons for a while and marshalled punter ball for about 3 years, being shot with some good, some bad and some indifferent quality paints.

Maybe I have just been lucky before but I cannot see how, since my game has improved, I now get shot far less than I did before but my kit is suffereing. Also given the number of new paints that have appeared recently, often with pink fills I think the staining paint issue is still valid.

Laterz

Ian

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MRfixit

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FAO COCKERSRULE - you say that the green marbalizer with the black swirl does not like halos,i run 2 x halo B both on cockers,a eblade & a TF5 cocker both with eyes & dont have a problem with this paint,all of my team have been useing marbalizer for 5 tournies now with all different markers you care to mention,this is the best paint we have used in a long while,its all in the way you set up your marker.A little time required by you over the chrono perhaps !!!!!!:D :D :D :D :D
 

cgrieves

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IanC Opined:

I was however a little bit Pi$$ed at getting stains on a new top and pair of trousers.
Then spake thus:

I would just like to know why, suddenly I have started getting stains on my kit when I didn't before?
You may have answered your own question- new kit, new stains. Different textile materials retain dye solutes and particles in different ways. Maybe the newer kit has different materials used in it's construction.

And to Merkin, I will reiterate: as a member of Storm, I have shot and been shot with the Pink Zap paint in question on many occasions, particularly in training. No stains whatsoever. Heck, my son has raided my pots, nicked balls and burst them on the living room carpet and sofa- no stains.

I'm willing to bet that I've been shot with this paint an order of magnitude more times than you have (unless you are really crap!) with no stains, so get hard evidence or pick another scapegoat.
 

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just making a point and not saying the pink paint is zap but
most things that stain was out really easy when they are wet and haven't dried on or had chance to soak in so the towel test would not be accurate and as for the guys carpet i guess you wased that straight away to or did you leave it 24hrs before you washed it
 

IanC

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Cgrieves theorised thus:



You may have answered your own question- new kit, new stains. Different textile materials retain dye solutes and particles in different ways. Maybe the newer kit has different materials used in it's construction.


Well thats a good point, but to be honest I don't think we'll ever get an answer to any of this. For the future I'm gonna make sure that all the kit I buy is dark colours with dark decorations, at least then the marks won't show!

Laterz

Ian
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Roland

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We use ZAP AMP (bronze shell, pink fill) and have never had any problems with staining!

Our team jerseys are Dye and even at the very low washing temperature recommended have always got all the stains out.

We haven,t had any major problems in the past but there are a lot of new paintballs around at the moment, Drakula, Tomahawk etc at the lower end of the price scale maybe there is a problem with one of them!

The only answer to this is an independent test by someone like PGI.