So...What would make the perfect event?

[Sid_Clan]

£500 per team, a fair price you may think but lets just analyse what the promoter has to do with that........ with a one day event.

Lets start with before the event....
Phone calls - hundreds of them.
Site rental at least a grand a day and how many days do you need the site for ?
Marque hire about a grand per thirty teams.
Table hire you wouldn't believe how many you would need about £3-5 each
Insurance this is team entry dependant but no less than £40 per team.
Portable Toilets @ £70 per 4 teams.
Set up crew - site and entry dependant but allow six per ten teams and remember they will need hotels and food.

During Event

Field refs @£70 each Minimum 5 per field.
Field ultimates @£100 each 1 per field.
Off field staff @£60 each allow 3 per running field.
Food, water, a bucket load of administration equipment.

Then you need for each field.
Nets and Posts - well you do want the balls to stay infield don't you! they may be included with the site or they may cost you £1500 per field per event.
Bunkers - I have been to events where they seem to have forgot them but in this case lets give them some. About £4000 each field and if you are lucky you can use them ten times before they are out of date and you can struggle to sell them for less than half what you paid.
Chronographs £250 for each of the main ones allow two per field.
Hand held £55 and you need two a field.
Shot counters (if you are using ramping) two per field @ £80 each.
On field Blowers 1 per field @£90 each + fuel.
Computers for event and field admin if Xball allow one per five teams @ £350 each.
Major equipment cost IE Merlow(cherry pickers) about a £100 per weekend plus fuel each.

Would you like security! well £60 each one please minimum.
First aid well St Johns want £300 per pair of staff.
Normal first aiders to comply with your insurance! the course is £80 each and you need a minimum of two per 100 players.
Don't forget all the fuel you are going to use reckon on £3-5 per team.
Portable generators those computer batteries don't last that long. £120 each and you also need all those extension cables wont you.
Would you like air for those guns.... well £65 per team for a ramping tournament.
Would you also like seating to to watch some of the good games well in the UK a seating stand works out at about £12 per seat.

After event.

Clean up and take down crew, six people per two fields per day, you could do it in one day depending on the clean up required either way the staff would be from the event so would have needed a hotel the night before as well as wages.

Have you also committed to pay some travel expenses !
Oh don't forget the tax-mans bit with VAT and other **** he gets of everyone.

Fifty quid each ................ how

Russ

10 Teams = £5000
100 Teams = £50,000

All the costs your talking about are for someone starting from Scratch, your telling me if it was a high profile event you couldn't get 3 fields sponsored by companies, saving £4,000 per field = £12,000?

If your talking a high profile event then companies would jump at the chance to have their name on it. KEE, Planet, Dye, JT to name but a few, again if it was done right.

Also, if it's a one off event why would the VAT man be interested?

Not dissing you Russ but this is can be done, but you need the correct PR and contacts, you also need a salesman to get people on board!! Sell paintball, don't beg and and pay companies to help you, make them want to!!

Tents, well depending on location why would you need them?

Again as I say, not dissing, but let's not sit here and say it would cost too much to put on an event like this, as they say where there's a will there's a way.

Sid

 

[Rider]

but you need the correct PR and contacts,

you should speak to my wife, she is a PR and marketing guru....with full media contacts across scotland and other uk areas....(and high goverment )

 

[Russell Smith]

So your ideal event is someone else organising it so you don't have too

I couldn't afford someone else organising it, so I would have to do it with those figures.

Things are somewhat cheaper in the US but have you seen there entry fees?

Of course I have not took into account any revenue you may receive from sponsors and Sid is correct you may be able (if the event is high profile) to get the fields from them but money is tight, very tight, and these people do not have a pot of cash to give away.
The major sponsors of the Millennium series all lose money supporting the events - it can not carry on.
Of course you only give what the budget allows but to give the teams what they want the entry fee would have to be at least a grand per team.
Oh and Angel Heaven, yes please

Russ

 

[impamiizgraa]

What if such an event was held at an existing field?

Are there any in the UK that could host, say, a 100 team event?


The 'atmosphere' can be created just about anywhere with some creativity.

The savings on insurance, permits, rent, and setup would be enormous.

Where in the UK can an existing field support than many people?

We'd need a site that already has 5 fields....parking for a HUGE number of cars....not to mention being close to a major motorway as well as hotels, an airport and maybe even nightlife.

If only D7's was bigger

 

[Robbo]

I'll break this one down.

Refs - Good unbias refs they are out there.
Fields - Designed by someone who knows something about paintball
Facilities - Easy, don't settle for the norm, end of the day if you approach the right companies then they will provide a service.
Atmosphere - Again, DJ's, bubble machines, something fun, end of the day paintball players are all big kids at heart, so, give them what they want, a laugh, bouncy castles, bouncy boxin(place bets now who will win Robbo or Nick), something stupid but fun!!! Beer, women, women and beer, and

Sid

Would that dick cockdwarf were a real man and demanded a real fight.....instead of writing silly posts around the forums of the world and trying to attack me in that way, I think Freddie was possibly correct in declaring she wouldn't stick up for her brother but I think she might well be sticking up for her sister...

On a lighter note, I think everybody is now getting a true appreciation of what it takes to put on an event and I hope this allows us all to get a better handle on what's possible with the resources we have available .....we have now hit rock bottom, it's basically time to dust ourselves off and get back into the ring and try to make things work with the right people, if we can't change the Millennium Board into the right people then we must look elsewhere, that much is obvious to me.

 

[impamiizgraa]

Would that he were a real man and demanded a real fight.....instead of writing silly posts around the forums of the world and trying to attcke me in that way, I think Freddie was possibly correct in declaring she wouldn't stick up for her brother but I think she might well be sticking up for her sister...

Any chance we can drop this?

You've banned Nick - he's not posting here. His thread on the nation is closed.
Be the bigger man and don't rise to it? you're as bad as he is - only thing is, no-one can ban you...

Sam

 

[Robbo]

Any chance we can drop this?

You've banned Nick - he's not posting here. His thread on the nation is closed.
Be the bigger man and don't rise to it? you're as bad as he is - only thing is, no-one can ban you...

Sam

You are right nobody can, so you're point is what exactly?
Coz do i come round your house and tell you how to act?
No I don't and so next time you feel like being a smart ass, think before you tap...and remember, this ain't your house !!!

And I notice you didn't say anything to Sid who posted the original comment that provoked mine.....hmmmmm....

 

[impamiizgraa]

You are right nobody can, so you're point is what exactly?
Coz do i come round your house and tell you how to act?
No I don't and so next time you feel like being a smart ass, think before you tap...and remember, this ain't your house !!!

And I notice you didn't say anything to Sid who posted the original comment that provoked mine.....hmmmmm....

I never said it was my house...i stick to the rules, like i would do in someone elses house.
It just gets a bit boring...
And Sid's was a passing comment in a point relavant to the topic.

But i see you got a sneaky lil edit in
Any suggestions or ideas on who we could turn to if the Millennium board don't react to player pressure?
Unfortunatley they have no competition on the western European paintball scene...

 

[Lump]

i still think we need the NPPL in Europe

 

[Dusty]

grand total cost for putting on an event then?

Would £50k cover it? or are we talking £75K?

just curios, house needs remortgaged anyway.........