We's getting off track a bit but since you asked
In the example you gave if any player shoves a ref he's done. Cut and dried, no room for mitigation. IMHO. First thing the organizations must do is establish a standard of respect for their officials.
Otherwise my choice would be to take the responsibility for disciplinary action outside of a game situation away from the refs altogether. For example, an angry player tosses his gun after the game over while arguing the result. Head ref calls the Ultimate, relays info, Ultimate comes down, confirms the action and makes the call.
Protect the refs and limit their duties to during the game calls only. Then write the conduct rules in plain, unambiguous language with as little grey area as possible--then enforce them.
2--it shouldn't. The rules should limit that sort of thing as much as possible because it only causes problems. There is a measure of unavoidable subjectivity to reffing but it should be limited wherever possible.
3--given the current structures in Paintball probably not a lot unless or until more players would be willing to take an active role. Should that actually ever happen it would be very interesting to see just how that tug of war played out. As long as power comes from the top down it can always be taken away.
Best you can probably hope for is to simplify the rules. Add or keep only those that will be implemented. Keep the focus as narrow and specific as possible. Limit the responsibility of the on field refs and at each event have revolving members of the Disciplinary Committee on site to make necessary calls. That would make a start.
Even then people are still subject to lots of different kinds of pressure and the only real answer is to neutralise the ability to apply pressure and that ain't gonna happen.
1--if the rules give you, as a ref options, fine. If they don't you can't arbitrarily decide to do things the way you want to.Originally posted by Wadidiz
Amen, brother! You know I'm with you on that!
1--But is there room to warn rather than follow through with what is permissable or called for in the rules. Let's say I get shoved by a team captain while performing my duties. I could have him penalized (kicked out) or I could let him know that next time he would definitely get penalized. I don't think I am wrong to do the latter. But am I wrong to do the former?
2--I suppose that differs from judge to judge, person to person. I know I would suspend a player first time for throwing a marker with tank.
I've heard criticisms for both ways, too. "Damn, don't you think you're being to harsh?" "Why didn't you pull that guy for talking back at you?"
3--What alternative to this do you suggest?
In the example you gave if any player shoves a ref he's done. Cut and dried, no room for mitigation. IMHO. First thing the organizations must do is establish a standard of respect for their officials.
Otherwise my choice would be to take the responsibility for disciplinary action outside of a game situation away from the refs altogether. For example, an angry player tosses his gun after the game over while arguing the result. Head ref calls the Ultimate, relays info, Ultimate comes down, confirms the action and makes the call.
Protect the refs and limit their duties to during the game calls only. Then write the conduct rules in plain, unambiguous language with as little grey area as possible--then enforce them.
2--it shouldn't. The rules should limit that sort of thing as much as possible because it only causes problems. There is a measure of unavoidable subjectivity to reffing but it should be limited wherever possible.
3--given the current structures in Paintball probably not a lot unless or until more players would be willing to take an active role. Should that actually ever happen it would be very interesting to see just how that tug of war played out. As long as power comes from the top down it can always be taken away.
Best you can probably hope for is to simplify the rules. Add or keep only those that will be implemented. Keep the focus as narrow and specific as possible. Limit the responsibility of the on field refs and at each event have revolving members of the Disciplinary Committee on site to make necessary calls. That would make a start.
Even then people are still subject to lots of different kinds of pressure and the only real answer is to neutralise the ability to apply pressure and that ain't gonna happen.