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All this from people who put beans on their runny eggs for breakfast. :eek:

I will say, the comment of what people know about a 100 mile radius is true for people from cities only. If you talk to people in smaller towns, you'd find that they know much more about local geography and such.... The problem is that people in cities here don't go anywhere, but small town folk have to, thus they need to know more.

Again, without going through all the rigamaroll about who's smarter (and I'll avoid such screwy things as who invented what and where...), and cut to the chase. As I've already stated, who moves where, and in what numbers. :)

I've always found it interesting that Americans are considered by the rest of the world to be arrogant... it's people from other countries that put the US down all the time on a personal level. I realize in international politics that it's a different story, but that doesn't really reflect the general reaction of normal people here to other countries imo. Well, except for Canada... or America Jr. if you prefer. It's a good two way street there.

We always love getting foreign exchange students, and every single one I've ever met wanted to stay here rather than go back to where they grew up. That includes folks from South Africa, Germany, the Czech Republic, Burkina Faso, Niger, Malawai, the UK, and many Asian and Middle Eastern countries. I use to live in the international dorm at college, and I've never once heard any of them talk about wanting to go back and live in their home country... just that they'll miss their family, but they are staying here.

I <3 foreigners.

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Robbo, those appalling gaps in our educations may be filled with the very media influence you refer to. Also, by feeding us tasty snacks and letting us know every so often that we are protected by a ridiculous powerful military, supported by an absurdly robust economy, etc., we might feel less inclined to inform ourselves of some of the troubling things going on in the world, particularly things that might make us feel guilty for having it so cozy.

You don't even have to be or act arrogant if others perceive you as having advantages to be considered arrogant. Lacking a saintly self effacing modesty is enough if you have it easy, which I am often told we do. Ignorance is most offensive when you get away with it.
 

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Originally posted by gyroscope
Robbo, those appalling gaps in our educations may be filled with the very media influence you refer to. Also, by feeding us tasty snacks and letting us know every so often that we are protected by a ridiculous powerful military, supported by an absurdly robust economy, etc., we might feel less inclined to inform ourselves of some of the troubling things going on in the world, particularly things that might make us feel guilty for having it so cozy.

You don't even have to be or act arrogant if others perceive you as having advantages to be considered arrogant. Lacking a saintly self effacing modesty is enough if you have it easy, which I am often told we do. Ignorance is most offensive when you get away with it.
Hey Gyro, if in fact those gaps in your general education are filled with your 'media influence' then you guys are in a lot more trouble than I first suspected :)

You may well have a point in identifying self satisfaction with a lack of humility and lack of guilt but you are equating happiness with material wealth and this I venture is, one of your real problems, hence the US being the undisputed leader in people seeking therapy.

So whilst you might sit back in your leather armchair sipping on a Bud with your Buick parked outside watching Jerry Springer, the real world unfolds regardless.
What worries me now, is the thought that what I have just mentioned is the real world for you guys :)
 

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Originally posted by Robbo
We have to draw a line between what people are, and what people consume.
I know they are connected, sometimes inextricably but not necessarily in this case.

Pop culture as evidenced by fashion, music tastes and conversational modernisms are so heavily influenced by the media.
This influence is independent of any consensus intelligence factor though I will readily concede it would pander to it but...and it's a big but, just because there are common factors in consumables (even language in this pop sense can be described as consumable) does not mean the differing cultures can be lumped together in some sort of collective critique.

We have some truly stupid people over here in the UK just as you guys do in the US but what I will say is this, the level of ignorance seems to be so much more pronounced (and offensive) in the US when it comes to things like general knowledge and world affairs.
Third world countries have an excuse but with the education systems you guys have in place, there is no such excuse.
There is a difference between ignorance and stupidity, I don't think the Yanks are any more stupid than anywhere else in the world but I do think they have some enormous holes in their general knowledge that maybe borne out of a form of arrogance and a belief that the world centres around the US.

Hey just my two pennyworths...or is it cents :)

i agree totaly with u there m8'as i have trained with them boyz in aldershot & they wernt very good a pickin the iq& comon sense factor up!!!.lol old sayin sez never educate a mug ;) ;)
 
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Welcome to English 101...i agree totaly with u there m8'as i have trained with them boyz in aldershot & they wernt very good a pickin the iq& comon sense factor up!!!.lol old sayin sez never educate a mug

Manike, what was it you were sayin' bout Brits generally having better linguistic skills and a higher IQ?

:p
 

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Intheno and Manike started it!

Originally posted by Baca Loco
PPS--SH, Limeys, huh? That was out of the blue. Who said anything about Limeys? Your example of clever Brits, stupid Americans might be more convincing if it wasn't a coupl'a centuries old. :)
Originally posted by manike
...They also think that the term 'limey' is offensive...
There's a more recent example for you. ;)

Edit: And another - (although less to do with intelligence) An american CO briefing his unit prior to sharing a base with UK forces during the gulf war: "Do not drink, fight or gamble with the british - you will lose."
 

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Re: Intheno and Manike started it!

Originally posted by Steve Hancock
"Do not drink, fight or gamble with the british - you will lose."
no wait till they are in the field and shoot them when they wave their coalition flag at you!
 

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Originally posted by Robbo
Hey Gyro, if in fact those gaps in your general education are filled with your 'media influence' then you guys are in a lot more trouble than I first suspected :)
I am not sure how what the ratio of people watching E! at any moment versus those watching C-Span or reading, but I am not hopeful.

It takes more focus to acquire all the crap and keep it organized, IMO, but a lot of people are happy to make the effort.

Big trouble.:rolleyes: