Hold on Gaff
i originally thought as you do with the NPPL missing the boat, but now i really dont think that way, i just see the Euro scene being seen as a second rate NXL series, like the example people have been making with the NFL and EFL.
i think the product the MS had could have so easily been more successful on its own, whereas now it is an amalgamation of 3 different formats, of which the only one we know will work is the standard 7man, the rest are trial formats (over here!) i hope i am proved wrong for the sake of Euro p8ntball, cos if it all goes wrong we are ALL gonna have to travel to the US to get to play a series!
i know you have Nick and that has been appreciated!
i originally thought as you do with the NPPL missing the boat, but now i really dont think that way, i just see the Euro scene being seen as a second rate NXL series, like the example people have been making with the NFL and EFL.
i think the product the MS had could have so easily been more successful on its own, whereas now it is an amalgamation of 3 different formats, of which the only one we know will work is the standard 7man, the rest are trial formats (over here!) i hope i am proved wrong for the sake of Euro p8ntball, cos if it all goes wrong we are ALL gonna have to travel to the US to get to play a series!
Sammy
You can't?! Sure you can. This hybrid "answer" is still a hedged bet that presumes whatever the MS does it has to tie into the TV window that seems to be available in America. And that has nothing to do with the great mass of current teams and everything to do with future hopeful revenues. And just in case it doesn't work out y'all get a season of ******* SupaLeague grafted on as Option B.
Ok, another view point.
What will the majority of the supporting teams (Divisional, Amateur, Novice) gain with the NXL teams appearing in X-ball format in the MS?
Publicity? TV deals (In the USA)? Better paintball deals?
I think not.
The teams will be the funding the events for 8 PRO teams.
They will be the main atraction, and from this 8 PRO teams, there won't even be a logic choice of the strongest/best teams?
First there is a argument for choosing the best european teams, than there is another for choosing the USA teams.
Personnaly if it is my money that is funding events for some PRO teams, I would rather see a choice of format that supports the PRO teams that I think are the best, and bring the best to the events. I'm clearing talking of the "multi-format-events" teams.
And using the same format as us little guys, that are funding the events.
Money talk's and a small bunch of people rules by pressure.
Perhaps the majority of the teams would prefer to stay with 7 man. (I know I would).
Cheers
Jaime
What will the majority of the supporting teams (Divisional, Amateur, Novice) gain with the NXL teams appearing in X-ball format in the MS?
Publicity? TV deals (In the USA)? Better paintball deals?
I think not.
The teams will be the funding the events for 8 PRO teams.
They will be the main atraction, and from this 8 PRO teams, there won't even be a logic choice of the strongest/best teams?
First there is a argument for choosing the best european teams, than there is another for choosing the USA teams.
Personnaly if it is my money that is funding events for some PRO teams, I would rather see a choice of format that supports the PRO teams that I think are the best, and bring the best to the events. I'm clearing talking of the "multi-format-events" teams.
And using the same format as us little guys, that are funding the events.
Money talk's and a small bunch of people rules by pressure.
Perhaps the majority of the teams would prefer to stay with 7 man. (I know I would).
Cheers
Jaime
I can only speculate and guess that the main reason NPPL didn't go with the new 7-player format is because they would run counter to the Super 7 games that will be broadcast on Fox TV next year. They probably don't want to confuse the audience by playing a different variety than what's on TV.
I think X Ball is a great choice but I hope for some fine tuning. Some of the most entertaining games I've ever seen were X Ball. I've also seen some boring X Ball games, even when both teams were some of best on the planet. But I could say the same about Collegiate football, NFL, NBA and MLB: some great moments and some mediocre or boring.
I'm really curious about the total schedule and more of the details.
I think X Ball is a great choice but I hope for some fine tuning. Some of the most entertaining games I've ever seen were X Ball. I've also seen some boring X Ball games, even when both teams were some of best on the planet. But I could say the same about Collegiate football, NFL, NBA and MLB: some great moments and some mediocre or boring.
I'm really curious about the total schedule and more of the details.
Jaime ?
no actually Nick what the select teams get is the much bigger slice of the sponsorship pie! and any exposure that is available, whilst the rest of us have to slog it out in what will be regarded as the second tier, thus inferior, and hope that either a team folds and we get the slot or that the whole thing falls flat on its face, but we have played another series that is prospering!!! so instead of all Euro teams uniting and trying to compete with the States some of us are going to accept that the States is where we need it to succeed even more now!
Nick
I know that Divisional will be 7-man, at least this season.
MS board puts the issue on the table for 2005 season.
Also know that getting TV exposure in the USA might be very good for the sport in the long run (for us euro guys)
But I would rather more having Dynasty and the likes 8/6 times (now 5 times because there wont be Joy Masters this year).
Than having 2 NXL teams at the time (4x) playing X-ball, and then having 4 european teams in World Cup one time. That won't bring me or the other teams anygood.
Basically will be funding 4 euro teams, and the criteria for the choosing of this 8 teams, isn't even logic (I wont comment very much on this...).
And even more MS is connecting maybe to the series that as the least in common with MS.
It is funny how NPPL aproachs our format, and we aproach PSP´s format.
Tell me were will teams like Avalanche, Dynasty, Strange, Bushwackers, Bad Company, Naughty Dogs, Ground Zero, Ironmen, Evil Factory, Kapp Factory, etc... Will fit in this new hibrid series, coming over 4 times a year? To play a different format?
NXL teams are trying to stay alive because of the restrictments of playing only NXL, this is the answer for them, to come and play a litle more.
I would like to know why we are leaning over pressure from some people, we are falling for the same crap that 8 teams fell last year, look at them now!
Perhaps this deal looks good for some teams, at least 8.
But it just sounds crappy.
I like to see x-ball, and I even liked to play it, but i rather having a 7 man series. (Period)
And I just hope that the lack of some PRO teams attending the events don't make them "smaller" in some ways, because that is what will happen in MS this year.
Or at least make a Open PRO division on all events, totally regardless of the format.
Cheers
Jaime
I know that Divisional will be 7-man, at least this season.
MS board puts the issue on the table for 2005 season.
Also know that getting TV exposure in the USA might be very good for the sport in the long run (for us euro guys)
But I would rather more having Dynasty and the likes 8/6 times (now 5 times because there wont be Joy Masters this year).
Than having 2 NXL teams at the time (4x) playing X-ball, and then having 4 european teams in World Cup one time. That won't bring me or the other teams anygood.
Basically will be funding 4 euro teams, and the criteria for the choosing of this 8 teams, isn't even logic (I wont comment very much on this...).
And even more MS is connecting maybe to the series that as the least in common with MS.
It is funny how NPPL aproachs our format, and we aproach PSP´s format.
Tell me were will teams like Avalanche, Dynasty, Strange, Bushwackers, Bad Company, Naughty Dogs, Ground Zero, Ironmen, Evil Factory, Kapp Factory, etc... Will fit in this new hibrid series, coming over 4 times a year? To play a different format?
NXL teams are trying to stay alive because of the restrictments of playing only NXL, this is the answer for them, to come and play a litle more.
I would like to know why we are leaning over pressure from some people, we are falling for the same crap that 8 teams fell last year, look at them now!
Perhaps this deal looks good for some teams, at least 8.
But it just sounds crappy.
I like to see x-ball, and I even liked to play it, but i rather having a 7 man series. (Period)
And I just hope that the lack of some PRO teams attending the events don't make them "smaller" in some ways, because that is what will happen in MS this year.
Or at least make a Open PRO division on all events, totally regardless of the format.
Cheers
Jaime
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Ok that's the cool wet grass thing done. It's kinda early to tell, but there's some big changes a coming, and the success of the 04 season is going to be in the implementation of the EXL and the super pro league.
I'd be interested to hear some of the details re the running of the new series, cos this is were the beauty is. What about roster changes mid season / transfer windows etc. What happens if one or more of the Superpro team's ain't cutting the mustard and getting torn limb from limb (not in a Rage fashion), on the X-Ball field? I mean they could just ho out the goobers and get in some other talent. It does kinda look like a Euro X Franchise system is being put into place.
I mean in many ways it answers some questions, but a whole load of new ones just spring to mind.
Mind you if it all goes Pete Tong, at least for Manchester Nexus and London Tigers, there's always the PA cup.
now,
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Ok that's the cool wet grass thing done. It's kinda early to tell, but there's some big changes a coming, and the success of the 04 season is going to be in the implementation of the EXL and the super pro league.
I'd be interested to hear some of the details re the running of the new series, cos this is were the beauty is. What about roster changes mid season / transfer windows etc. What happens if one or more of the Superpro team's ain't cutting the mustard and getting torn limb from limb (not in a Rage fashion), on the X-Ball field? I mean they could just ho out the goobers and get in some other talent. It does kinda look like a Euro X Franchise system is being put into place.
I mean in many ways it answers some questions, but a whole load of new ones just spring to mind.
Mind you if it all goes Pete Tong, at least for Manchester Nexus and London Tigers, there's always the PA cup.
now,
No such thing as Sandbagging,
No such thing as Sandbagging,
No such thing as Sandbagging................
'Other' pro teams being Hardcore and Storm? Thats only 2 teams. I genuinely feel sorry for Hardcore as they went to every event, and only just missed out, but Storm were victims of their decision for whatever reason to only play a minute role in the MS last year as they hardly attended any events.Originally posted by gaff
i think the MS had just lost most of its 'other' pro teams to the NPPL!
I dont think that the MS will lose any teams over this decision. If teams want to play the NPPL, then do so. I am willing to bet that we will see Hardcore at all 4 of the Superleague pro events next year though.....
I am glad that the MS has chosen to do something bold and exciting for next year, i think it will be good for European paintball as a whole.
Sam, u r right, the Millennium won't lose out at all, it's just Gaff whipping it up in his own mind to try and make a point that is unmakeable.
In my opinion, Hardcore should be in the top 8 and are victims to the vagaries of the selection policy.
There are two ways where we can fairly determine the top 8, either we appoint a committee of respected, knowldgeable and as far as possible independent people to select the top 8 or we have a tournament where all those who feel they are one of the 8 should turn up and bash it out.
The latter is not gonna happen, the former is equally unlikely and so for better or for worse, we are stuck with how it was done.
In my opinion, Hardcore should be in the top 8 and are victims to the vagaries of the selection policy.
There are two ways where we can fairly determine the top 8, either we appoint a committee of respected, knowldgeable and as far as possible independent people to select the top 8 or we have a tournament where all those who feel they are one of the 8 should turn up and bash it out.
The latter is not gonna happen, the former is equally unlikely and so for better or for worse, we are stuck with how it was done.